Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

theheliosequence

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

rtucker55
Just wondering if the Pricing sheet is correct?
 
From X3 Producer to Platinum it is $149 first 12 months then raises to $199 the second 12 months.  The renewal stays the same for the Pro and Artist series, there is no price increase...

We are offering current X3 customers a special introductory price on Platinum. The prices for the other versions are already pretty affordable considering the feature set (in my opinion).

Do you guys plan on having $199 being the yearly fee from now on for the top tier version? I don't use Pro Channel very often (I feel like I am already using the highest quality plugins available - UAD, Slate, DMG, Fab-Filter, Acustica, iZotope, BOZ Digital, Softube, etc.) so maybe it's time to downgrade (it's weird to even say that). There is just more add-on software for Platinum, correct? Or am I missing something?

You can certainly opt for Professional. I believe you just lose POW-r dithering. You wouldn't lose any of the plugins you had purchased up to that point. So it would be $99 for you to do that next year. You do have a year to decide that and it will be our mission to make sure you receive maximum value. Right now, you are getting a discount and essentially two upgrades, X4 and X5. 

So would I be able to use the Pro-Channel FX that I currently have in X3 Pro in the new Sonar if I only had the new Professional version? What about Dimension Pro and Rapture Full and things like Breverb Sonar VST, PK-64, VX-64, TL-64, etc. ? Or will it give me a message that these plugins don't work with this version of Sonar? I don't really ever use most of these, but I'm curious for anyone else who would like to know. It certainly makes the Professional version seem like a good deal/value.
 
Also curious if the Vocal Sync is a plugin or if it's an integrated feature that is simply "grayed out" in the Professional version?
 
You should probably be more specific on the version comparison if you lose POW-r dithering... the web page says that each version has dithering options available.

I have a big question that after reading 6 pages I don't see....:)
 
For backup purposes, even though I know the software is out there in the cloud to re-download if due to a major hard drive failure, etc. but downloading over 4 to 6 gigs worth of software down to one's computer still takes a while even on a 50meg ISP connection, is Cakewalk still going to offer if we go the one time upgrade fee a boxed version of the software so we would have a physical medium to reinstall back to our computers?
Thanks...

RobertB
Cityrat, have you installed previous versions of Sonar on multiple machines? It's always been like that.
Cakewalk doesn't track it like, say, Toontrack or IK. Your existing reg code just needs to be associated with the machine on which Sonar is installed. it is entirely local.
Or have I missed something somewhere?

Maybe I'm missing something.... the new scheme is like Native Instruments.  Activation file.  That is DIFFERENT from the past no?  (not saying cw is like ni but it is a change yes?  Am I missing something ?  It's possible.... you know...

[Edit] Everything has been said here while I was typing.  I'm personally ok, but...
 
 

cityrat

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]

cityrat

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Honestly, we always had a challenge/response system. That is what the registration code was.

For the user code and serial.  But not per machine id correct?  Now you are going to machine ID?

Yes, but you can still install on multiple machines, if you so choose too. Just like the existing paradigm provides.

 
With all due respect - this is NOT the current model.  You have changed it to be by MACHINE ID.  This is NOT the same as it is now at Gibson's discretion of what is "acceptable".
 
I understand the business reasons.  But I have also had issues with companies who have also claimed liberal policy shutting out activation during upgrades with problems that required new MBs etc.  This is a change in the trust / model between users. 
 

 
We took into account the exact problems you mentioned, when designing the new model. A lot of us have experienced this type of headache in the past and we didn't want to potentially expose our customers to it. The assumption that we're just going off a Machine ID is false. It's not reliable enough.

WallyG

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Greeny
So one final question, since I already have AD2 with 3 kits, do I get to choose another 3 kits or do I just keep what I already have?
 

Yes, you get 3 more ADpaks, 3 more MIDIpaks, and 3 more kit pieces.

Andrew,

Thank you for be so patient and answering some questions more than once. I like your model and if Adobe had used it I would still be upgrading Creative Suites. I will be upgrading Sonar when available.

One question. I just went through a disappointing purchase with XLN Audio where they led me (and others) to believe that if I bought their Producer Bundle that I would be upgraded to Addictive Drums 2. While I did get Addictive Drums 2, it doesn't allow you to use previously purchased ADPacs with AD2. I thought it was a misleading/deceptive tactic.

Is this true for the Addictive Drums 2 included in this years Sonar upgrade? In other words you Only get the AD2 "engine" but will have to pay XLN another $80 for a "real" upgrade to AD2.

I do like the new features in Sonar! Keep up the great work!

Walt

Nope this is for the AD2 Producer Bundle. You get to pick 3 ADpaks, MIDIpaks, and 3 kit pieces. This is exactly like if you purchased the Producer Bundle. It's an upgraded version of what we did in X3. And Professional includes 1 of each item listed above.

einstein36
I have a big question that after reading 6 pages I don't see....:)
 
For backup purposes, even though I know the software is out there in the cloud to re-download if due to a major hard drive failure, etc. but downloading over 4 to 6 gigs worth of software down to one's computer still takes a while even on a 50meg ISP connection, is Cakewalk still going to offer if we go the one time upgrade fee a boxed version of the software so we would have a physical medium to reinstall back to our computers?
Thanks...

DVDs will be available later this month for a nominal fee. 

theheliosequence

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

theheliosequence

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

rtucker55
Just wondering if the Pricing sheet is correct?
 
From X3 Producer to Platinum it is $149 first 12 months then raises to $199 the second 12 months.  The renewal stays the same for the Pro and Artist series, there is no price increase...

We are offering current X3 customers a special introductory price on Platinum. The prices for the other versions are already pretty affordable considering the feature set (in my opinion).

Do you guys plan on having $199 being the yearly fee from now on for the top tier version? I don't use Pro Channel very often (I feel like I am already using the highest quality plugins available - UAD, Slate, DMG, Fab-Filter, Acustica, iZotope, BOZ Digital, Softube, etc.) so maybe it's time to downgrade (it's weird to even say that). There is just more add-on software for Platinum, correct? Or am I missing something?

You can certainly opt for Professional. I believe you just lose POW-r dithering. You wouldn't lose any of the plugins you had purchased up to that point. So it would be $99 for you to do that next year. You do have a year to decide that and it will be our mission to make sure you receive maximum value. Right now, you are getting a discount and essentially two upgrades, X4 and X5. 

So would I be able to use the Pro-Channel FX that I currently have in X3 Pro in the new Sonar if I only had the new Professional version? What about Dimension Pro and Rapture Full and things like Breverb Sonar VST, PK-64, VX-64, TL-64, etc. ? Or will it give me a message that these plugins don't work with this version of Sonar? I don't really every use most of these, but I'm curious for anyone else who would like to know. It certainly makes the Professional version seem like a good deal/value.
 
Also curious if the Vocal Sync is a plugin or if it's an integrated feature that is simply "grayed out" in the Professional version?
 
You should probably be more specific on the version comparison if you lose POW-r dithering... the web page says that each version has dithering options available.

If you go to Professional you won't lose any of those plugins or ProChannel modules. I'll have to check but I do believe POW-r is only in Platinum. So going to Professional is an option. VocalSync is integrated right inside SONAR. That's actually one of the cool things vs. something like Vocalign. It previews real-time and you can open it right in the track view and adjust. Check out the video. It's not greyed out in Professional because it's not there.

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

einstein36
I have a big question that after reading 6 pages I don't see....:)
 
For backup purposes, even though I know the software is out there in the cloud to re-download if due to a major hard drive failure, etc. but downloading over 4 to 6 gigs worth of software down to one's computer still takes a while even on a 50meg ISP connection, is Cakewalk still going to offer if we go the one time upgrade fee a boxed version of the software so we would have a physical medium to reinstall back to our computers?
Thanks...

DVDs will be available later this month for a nominal fee. 

Very cool...Thank you Andrew....Looking forward to purchasing Sonar:)

I don't like subscriptions. Yes, I like the new features that I have seen on the videos but I don't want to have to shell out money each time I want an update. I feel like if it isn't working right then fix it. Don't charge me for it. If I find that the new sonar model is like that. I most surely will go with Studio One, FL Studio where I don't feel nickled and dimed. I don't think I am the only one who will feel this way. Hopefully, they will just come back to the way it used to be. 
 
**FL Studio has updates for life. There is no subscription. This would be better.