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2015/01/14 21:04:35
Anderton
Bflat5
So, no more simply downloading the uprade? Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't see an upside to renting software on the customer end.
 
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but when you purchase software you can continue using it until the OS will no longer support it. Pay a premium price to rent it and once your subscription is up you are forced to renew and can longer use it until you do?
 
Is that correct?




As scook says, no - but think of it this way: It's a customer-centric ownership model, not a company-centric rental model.
2015/01/14 21:06:12
stevets32
I want to thank Cakewalk for embracing the subscription model.  Sales driven models have proven themselves to be incapable of providing long-term support.  (See ERP software models with multi-million dollar sales figures that have gone out of business).  I have been a Cakewalk user since the days of "Home Studio" and "XL" (if my memory serves...questionable at best) back during the days when it looked like the soundcard on our 386sx PC's were octopi giving birth (the original digital patchbay).  I have dutifully given my upgrade dollars through years since this was "working" for me.
 
In the past couple of years, I've done projects with hardcore ProToolers.  I did have a Mac based ProTooly thingy sitting in my studio.  I wanted to learn the ins-and-outs of the ProToolish world, but this shovel-ready project never gained any ground.  I looked at getting ProTool'ed certified, but the price of "basic" ProTooling was 10 years of Sonar upgrades plus an additional "buying of a Prius" for all Avid developers.  I quickly realized that playing my guitar was a better investment and I could afford about 22 years of lessons for the "used" sales price of my Pro-Tools rig.  Needless to say it is gone.
 
Massive kudos to Cakewalk for committing to a subscription based model.  I'm planning on paying the monthly fees, simply because it is more than the up-front fee.  If Cakewalk would start a Patreon account, I would probably give some extra sheckles to that as well.  I've used about every DAW out there and I always keep launching Sonar because it is more intuitive to me.  Yes, that is my opinion and it is also my opinion that they deserve more of our hard earned cash.  If software is free, there is a reason.
 
I don't know why, but I have read every page of this thread and I am truly amazed that some of these posters can't see that arguing about the tool they use is pointless.  This is about their talent and their ability to add value to a project.  Sonar has only let me down in one case...importing Stems from other projects.  I hope that gets fixed, but I use Reaper when I can't get Sonar to behave.  I wish that wasn't the case, but my Subscription will show that I have trust in this company and will continue to support them until such a time as they violate that trust.  $20 a month is nothing compared to the benefit I gain from their design effort.
 
For those who have "automatically" hated this change simply because it is "change", take a step back and look at what you have accomplished being a Sonar user.  If you can truly say that this has been a benefit then get on the horse and let them develop in a "revenue-centric" manner.  We need their developers and the good developers need to stay at Cakewalk for the long-term.  Don't nickel-and-dime them into "off-shoring" their development and support efforts.  In a way, we are all in this together.   I, for one, am happy to support this change and will hold their feet to the fire if they "fark-it-up", but let's give them the chance to decide their own fate.
 
Everyone in this community should be freaking ecstatic that they didn't go to the software rental model.   (*Those that think that need to re-read this entire thread*)  Moderators, support personnel and developers...y'all go make good things happen because some of us appreciate your efforts and are standing with you.  I'm out...
2015/01/14 21:07:07
kitekrazy1
Anderton
CoteRotie
 
I called Cakewalk sales today... the guy picked up right way.... that's the 1st sign that this subscription DAW won't work... and the fact that he sounded "in my opinion" that I had woken him or he lives in Colorado.... ;)



So you're complaining because Cakewalk answers the phone promptly. I will contact Cakewalk tomorrow and suggest that they wait at least 10 rings before answering the phone, or send people to voice mail.




 You left out the heavy foreign accents most Americans can't understand.
2015/01/14 21:07:09
WallyG
Soft Enerji
Just trying to get a definite answer to the Addictive Drums question that has been asked. Will I be able to use my ADpaks, MIDIpaks and Kit Pieces that I already own and use in AD 1, with AD 2? 
 



I've asked Andrew several times, but he is the Cakewalk expert and not the AD guy, so I never got a definitive answer. Since it is the same product as the "Producer Bundle", then the answer is NO. I just wasted $180 because of XLNaudio deceptive/misleading WEB site. I can use the original ADpacs with AD1, but you can only use AD2pacs with AD2 unless you add another $79 to the $180 to "UPGRADE" AD1 to AD2. (Total = $259). If they had been clearer (read not deceptive), then I would have not spent the money. Other people who have been deceived have asked XLN to clarify their WEB site, but no go.
 
I do have a couple workarounds. Use both AD1 and AD2 in a project (now that I have it, I don't see much improvement in AD2), or once I get "SONAR" and get the included additional 3 AD2pacs, I will select the same AD1pacs that I have. None of the remaining AD2pacs sound interesting.
 
Walt
 
2015/01/14 21:07:21
Bflat5
Sorry guys. When I asked my question I had not found the FAQ's yet.
2015/01/14 21:08:43
kitekrazy1
cclarry
Placed my order....$25 discount!  Oh yeah baby!

Let the anticipation begin!




Wait, how did you get that?
2015/01/14 21:09:18
Dave__lol
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Dave__lol
clintmartin
Bflat5
So, no more simply downloading the uprade? Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't see an upside to renting software on the customer end.
 
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but when you purchase software you can continue using it until the OS will no longer support it. Pay a premium price to rent it and once your subscription is up you are forced to renew and can longer use it until you do?
 
Is that correct?


No that's not correct at all. Upgrade for $149 and it's yours forever. If you want more upgrades after a year...then you pay again.


NOPE! lol you need to look at it again... 149 for 12 months! its a subscription DAW service... You keep paying them or you have NO DAW! good luck in mid project and you have to convert ALL your projects to ProTools and have no way to do it!


Again you're wrong. I'll remind you that spreading false Information, intentionally, is trolling.

lol "trolling".... "things that forum junkies use to justify their never ending need to be accepted on a forum" and have someone that they can justify bulling.
2015/01/14 21:09:31
einstein36
Being a tech support guy who has to keep up with the latest technology news, OS news, etc. guess what guys....Microsoft is maybe thinking about going to a subscription way with their OS after version 10. Look at their Office365 and how popular it has been.
Yes, this is a major thing that runs your computer and you don't pay up, you lose the ability to get new updates, fixes, security for windows and possible not able to run all the features in windows if you stop paying.
At least with Cakewalk, they are giving you the software either as paid upfront or after 12 months of a subscription.
This is the trend I think we are going to be seeing more and more in the software industry.
I know it's hard to fathom, but change is coming and what I have seen with Cakewalk, that change is good:)
 
2015/01/14 21:12:06
Dave__lol
Includes everything in SONAR Artist            

Analog-style ProChannel Strip with 3 FX            

Melodyne Essential with ARA integration            

Addictive Drums 2 Solo Bundle            

50 Professional mixing and mastering FX            

18 instruments including Z3TA+ Classic            

Upgrade pricing for SONAR customers            

Includes 12 months SONAR Membership            

STARTING AS LOW AS            

$19.99                    
PER MONTH

 
$199
 
AND funny how the buy now is missing!
2015/01/14 21:12:36
scook
ChazEd
JohnoL
A few people have asked this general question and I have the same question.
I think the faq needs more clarification.
 
If I let my Membership expire after 12 months, can I renew it again later?
                    Yes, you can come back any time and pay the Renewal rate.
Will the renewal rate be the same after 3 months, after 6months, 1 or 2 years? 
I am talking more about paying the full 12 months in advance. Do you pay extra to "catch up?"
 
 
For the last 3 years I have gotten the new version but I usually wait 3 to 6 months when they repeat the
introductory offer and/or offer a free video with it.
 




ChazEd 
Example:

I pay $149 to upgrade my X3 Producer to Platinum now (January/February, 2015), the I get all Platinum current and future features for 12 months. Ok.

Then, in January/February, 2016, for reasons unknown (no cash, too much beer , etc), I can't renewal my Platinum Membership.

Then say 6 months (or 1 year, or 2 year, I don't know what will happen in the future) later I want to renewal my Platinum membership.

Will I have to pay full price again or just the current (2016/2017...) upgrade price?

Will I loose my Platinum membership and go to square one (like a new sonar user status) if I let it expire?
 

 
Sorry to quote myself again, but the faq is not clear about above situations.
 
Can someone help?


It is difficult to speculate about future pricing. But for now, there appears to be no penalty if you let your membership lapse.
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