Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

Greeny
Well if you guys are happy to pay for features that we dont even have a clue about yet thats fine by me, I don't ask or expect everyone to agree with me you have the right to vote with your wallet just like I do.

Greeny, please read this page https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New

I see 3 future additions I dont see 12 months wirth. I think you are missing my point I am not saying I get nothing now I know there is a host of new stuff, where is the option to pay less and not have the extra stuff that I dont yet know if I want cos I dont know what most of it is?

That is exactly NOT what is happening Greeny. Not sure how many other ways this can be explained. I'm starting to get the feeling you are trolling or just being very obtuse. If not I apologize but go back and read the information Andrew has provided. This is just giving you extra ways to buy other than the old upgrade method.

Greeny

bapu

Greeny
Yes something has changed, I pay the upgrade price, and dont get the updates right away. I dont know what I am buying how exactly is this better for me?

So you want updates before they are coded? That just not make sense.
 
I own X3. I'll pay $149 up front. I'll get updates as they are available for 12 months.
 
Simples.

No I want to know what I am buying at the time I pay, is it that hard to understand? I dont see the option to buy the update as it is and not be drip fed stuff over 12 months, I am not seeing an option to pay less and not be drip fed stuff, if I see that option I have no issue.
 

Ok duly noted. Sounds like this is not for you. Just to be clear, the version we are releasing this month has a bunch of new features that you will getting right way. No one is dripping you these new features. What you will be getting is additional stuff over the next 12 months. Like I said before, you are sort of getting X4 and X5. 

No versions????
I can see one huge burn and churn with no versions...  What about external content vendors.  People who write books and create video content?  Lets say Cakewalk adds a brand new widget feature that never existed before. It comes out April 2015.   
 
Now lets say some person whats to create content, but he's working on content in say Feb/2015, but it's not released until May/2015
 
Lets say it's now July 2015 and I see a new video.  I might expect this new feature to be talked about in this new video but it's not going to be.  
 
Not only that but, tweaks to the way things work.  It just seems to me that there is a good chance of people feeling jaded when the external learning content they purchase does not contain what they had hoped because there was no easy way to tell where the line in the sand is drawn.  
 
Those may be bad examples, but I think you get what I'm saying.

Beepster
That is exactly NOT what is happening Greeny. Not sure how many other ways this can be explained. I'm starting to get the feeling you are trolling or just being very obtuse. If not I apologize but go back and read the information Andrew has provided. This is just giving you extra ways to buy other than the old upgrade method.

I am not trolling, I read the stuff, I pay upfront for the upgrade $149, I get the new features now, then 12 months of extra additions, I dont see an option to get just the update now and not have to pay for 12 months of stuff. I assume the 149 covers the 12 months of new stuff also, but I dont want that cos this far I can only see what "some" of the new additions will be.

Greeny

bapu

Greeny
Yes something has changed, I pay the upgrade price, and dont get the updates right away. I dont know what I am buying how exactly is this better for me?

So you want updates before they are coded? That just not make sense.
 
I own X3. I'll pay $149 up front. I'll get updates as they are available for 12 months.
 
Simples.

No I want to know what I am buying at the time I pay, is it that hard to understand? I dont see the option to buy the update as it is and not be drip fed stuff over 12 months, I am not seeing an option to pay less and not be drip fed stuff, if I see that option I have no issue.
 

OK, there are ne features that are listed that you get on day one when you upgrade. Why is that hard to understand?
 
See Andrews post with the link.
 
Then you have the choice of NOT accepting anything in the way of updates. Why is that hard to understand?
 
You seem to keep implying that you get NOTHING on day one of the upgrade. There are features and content that have been listed that you get on day one.

Greeny

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

Greeny
Well if you guys are happy to pay for features that we dont even have a clue about yet thats fine by me, I don't ask or expect everyone to agree with me you have the right to vote with your wallet just like I do.

Greeny, please read this page https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New

I see 3 future additions I dont see 12 months wirth. I think you are missing my point I am not saying I get nothing now I know there is a host of new stuff, where is the option to pay less and not have the extra stuff that I dont yet know if I want cos I dont know what most of it is?

We'll be updating people with the new features coming up next. We've listed three already. But yeah, we won't be telling you what's coming up in November quite yet. I just don't think this is for you, and that's ok. You want to know everything that you get now and for all eternity. We can't do that. 

Greeny

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

Greeny
Well if you guys are happy to pay for features that we dont even have a clue about yet thats fine by me, I don't ask or expect everyone to agree with me you have the right to vote with your wallet just like I do.

Greeny, please read this page https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New

I see 3 future additions I dont see 12 months wirth. I think you are missing my point I am not saying I get nothing now I know there is a host of new stuff, where is the option to pay less and not have the extra stuff that I dont yet know if I want cos I dont know what most of it is?

Just get a membership for one month for Producer and you can try everything out. If you don't like or need all of it then you can buy the Artist or Professional upgrade instead.
 
Seriously this is WAY better for your scenario than the old way. You did not have any option to try before you buy before aside from the demo which did not include ANY of the extras.

Greeny

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

Greeny
Well if you guys are happy to pay for features that we dont even have a clue about yet thats fine by me, I don't ask or expect everyone to agree with me you have the right to vote with your wallet just like I do.

Greeny, please read this page https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New

I see 3 future additions I dont see 12 months wirth. I think you are missing my point I am not saying I get nothing now I know there is a host of new stuff, where is the option to pay less and not have the extra stuff that I dont yet know if I want cos I dont know what most of it is?

Are you not scrolling far enough? There's a lot more on that page then 3 items.
 
The other page is just a teaser for now. Keep in mind, every year we've released versions of SONAR with a slew of new additions with zero promises of any fixes. Whether or not there was one, two, three, four, five, etc. patches for the program purchased was pretty up in the air. That also did not come with the promise of what the updates would be (whether it be bug fixes, new features and/or content). Customers have been asking/begging us for years to improve on this! We've been listening!
 
With this model, we're not only giving everyone all of the features included with the version of SONAR they purchase (and there are already a LOT of new ones since SONAR X3) but we're also promising 12 months of bug fixes, new features and new content for people who are in an active membership. If you're used to paying up front, that essentially means you're getting everything we've done up until now plus 12 months more! 

Greeny

Beepster
That is exactly NOT what is happening Greeny. Not sure how many other ways this can be explained. I'm starting to get the feeling you are trolling or just being very obtuse. If not I apologize but go back and read the information Andrew has provided. This is just giving you extra ways to buy other than the old upgrade method.

I am not trolling, I read the stuff, I pay upfront for the upgrade $149, I get the new features now, then 12 months of extra additions, I dont see an option to get just the update now and not have to pay for 12 months of stuff. I assume the 149 covers the 12 months of new stuff also, but I dont want that cos this far I can only see what "some" of the new additions will be.

You DO NOT have to apply any updates during the 12 months of membership if you don't want to.
 
Simples.