Waiting for an answer here LRR. Are you or are you not implying that I have attacked you in some way? Because I reread this thread and the thread I linked to and I don't see anyone attacking you nor have I seen anyone attack you in any other threads over the past few days.

 
 
Living Room Rocker
 
P.S. On another note, I am disappointed in my fellow members on this forum.  These attacks on me are unwarranted and should be individually addressed by the monitors, as expected.  Okay, I got that off my chest.


Living Room Rocker, I sure hope my talking about Knuckleheads wasn't taken as talking about you. I have no problem at all when a member in good standing is trying to work some things out or get some questions answered. Truthfully I kind of tune the whole discussion out cuz I didn't have any answers and it seemed like you a few others were able to handle it. I always considered you one of the good guys and still do. My whole issue in this thread was people who have not been here before , coming in asking a few odd questions and not even waiting around to get an answer. I'm sure you will get your concern answered. If I could add anything to help, I would be glad to do that.
 

Now we no longer have such a defined Annual release, we shouldn't have an annual release of knuckleheads. And everyone would have calmed the monthly payment plan fears, so it wouldn't be so easy to stoke.

Living Room Rocker
P.S. On another note, I am disappointed in my fellow members on this forum.  These attacks on me are unwarranted and should be individually addressed by the monitors, as expected.  Okay, I got that off my chest.

 
Quote? I scanned the whole thread..

CakeAlexS

Living Room Rocker
P.S. On another note, I am disappointed in my fellow members on this forum.  These attacks on me are unwarranted and should be individually addressed by the monitors, as expected.  Okay, I got that off my chest.

 
Quote? I scanned the whole thread..

Since he hasn't replied I'm assuming he was referring to me because I've been interacting with him on this since yesterday trying to point out that no... the new model does not present more risk of getting burned than the old one. Honestly, if that is the case, I'm actually a little peeved about it because I now feel like the time I spent trying to provide thoughtful, polite replies to some rather strange and confusing hypotheticals was a waste. I only did it because LRR is a regular contributor and thought he actually needed help figuring this all out.
 
Ugh. Ole Beeps has things to do too yanno.

BassDaddy
 
 
Living Room Rocker
 
P.S. On another note, I am disappointed in my fellow members on this forum.  These attacks on me are unwarranted and should be individually addressed by the monitors, as expected.  Okay, I got that off my chest.

Living Room Rocker, I sure hope my talking about Knuckleheads wasn't taken as talking about you. I have no problem at all when a member in good standing is trying to work some things out or get some questions answered. Truthfully I kind of tune the whole discussion out cuz I didn't have any answers and it seemed like you a few others were able to handle it. I always considered you one of the good guys and still do. My whole issue in this thread was people who have not been here before , coming in asking a few odd questions and not even waiting around to get an answer. I'm sure you will get your concern answered. If I could add anything to help, I would be glad to do that.
 

You didn't attack anyone. Nor did Beepster or as far as I can tell no one else attacked LRR. 
 
However, if some one did and I missed it please let me know who and where on this thread. 
 
 

Godling
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Jon, I am just going to say I was staying within the subject matter of the OP and post with regard to "trolls" and "knuckleheads".  I was avoiding going off topic.  If you reread my initial post, I requested a definition of those words "trolls" and "knuckleheads," simply because I felt I might have been regarded as one of those since my posts in other forums regarding the new payment plan was not addressed (expect within a discussion I had with Beepster, whom I will respond separately).  That was my concern in this thread, not the membership/payment scheme.  Perhaps you can go back to that point and then follow the discussion in that context.
 
Kind regards,
 
Living Room Rocker
 
P.S.  Oh, just one more thing... I did not call anyone out, call anyone a "name" nor was I hostile or passive-aggressive as I have been accused.  I did not bring up the subject of the new payment plan...someone did else after me.  Again, that was not my intention.  As for my mention to monitors, please read the forum rules.

Hey, Beep and Randy, within your own post I hope you see just how I felt when I made my initial post (which still has not been addressed as posted).  Nonetheless, Beep, I do appreciate our discussion and, in particularly, that you had my back.  That was really swell of you.  I apologies for this late response, but I really had to get back to work and I rarely spend much time on forums as it is.  Just as you did, I hope others consider who the person is when responding and singling she/he out (rather than "ganging up"). 
 
So I hope addressed everyone even if I have not replied personally to each one here.
 
Kind regards,
 
Living Room Rocker

It is sad that a few can cause such disruption in an otherwise great environment.
 
The way I see it is...if you use Sonar as your business and you can't afford the $149 upgrade price...you need another profession.  And if you use Sonar as a hobby and you can't afford the $149 upgrade price...you need another hobby....period.  No one is forcing anyone to upgrade, if you don't think it's a good deal...don't upgrade.
 
And as for the "included" freebies....people need to stop griping about not enough (or the same old) freebies.  They ARE in fact freebies.  So you are definitely getting what you pay for as far as the freebies go :) .

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
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Yes, I definitely get the angle that you're coming from. I had to use free tools or my friends DAWS for a long time, until I had the cash to grab SONAR 6. Another option for your new musicians would be Music Creator. It's feature set is very close to SONAR's. Timing a purchase with a STEAM sale could net you a full DAW for under $20. It's sort of the forgotten step-child to SONAR, but it's really good. 

 
Thank you so much, Seth.  I sincerely appreciate your understanding. 
 
For all others:  My personal aim was not that SONAR was more attainable for me, personally, but to "sell," if you will, SONAR Pro or Plat to my clients so that we can share projects and ideas much easier.  For that reasion I was excited when Gobbler was integrated into SONAR (previously I used dropbox).  I have some of my client using SONAR Pro and it is working out well.  But for those who are struggling it does require more time to work with them (which I do not charge since they already have tight budgets if at all). 
 
See, I travel up and down California since I do have clients in San Diego (even in Arizona) and the SF area.  Fortunately, I have commercial work which sustains me.  When I work with struggling/budding musicians, I don't just give them a rate and then watch them leave when a session is done.  I believe in the independent artist so I give as much as I can to them so they can develop not only as an artist, but to be more independent with the ability to do more on their own.  Since SONAR is my primary DAW software, I teach how they can work with it to capture and work on their ideas.  In this instance, they win, I win and Cakewalk has another customer.  Yeah, sure Music Creator (which I have passed out to my client before) and Artist can cover the basses, but I cannot share what I have done within their projects while they are on another program.  If they have Pro or Platinum (now), then they can look into the project deeper and learn how it works.  Remember, my clients don't all live or work in my immediate area so I hope I can cut back on travel time. 
 
Considering the 12 month term or SONAR reverts to demo mode is where my pitch falls a little short because if they can't maintain monthly payments, they lose that money with nothing for it. This is what discourages them from biting.  If there was some kind of consolation like maybe the lesser version after a number of months (like three as I suggested), or a plugin, then not all is lost and my client still has something.  Goodwill remains between Cakewalk and the new customer and I am excited because I can work at a deeper level with them.  Again, a win win win. 
 
Never expecting the Bakers to chime in, discussion with follow users does prove beneficial.  Now that Seth has come to the discussion, I am grateful.  If Cakewalk might consider this, it could make a big difference for many others.
Kind regards,
 
Living Room Rocker
 
P.S.  Keep in mind, this has been an on going conversation which has developed further along the way.  Also, sorry, Randy.  I didn't mean to take your thread off topic.