2008/02/15 12:13:01
DRHollingsworth

ORIGINAL: hrtfxr

Same goofy humor as mine, soc. Yours is funny though.


I think it's what keeps this such a nice cozy place for us SHS and S7 users. (yes group hug )

ORIGINAL: RobertB

Doc,
Steve beat you to it. Check his song post. That was what inspired the Albert Hall reference. I think New York may be a bit of a run on a double-decker.


He may have beat me to it but mine was graphical!
2008/02/15 16:54:38
SteveStrummerUK
Doc; Bob

First off, I'm all for a group hug - nay, dare I suggest a forum hug. I bags Pete's neck.


Bob - as you can see from this genuine newspaper front page, them old London busses get everywhere:



Here is the uncontrovertable proof:
“BUS FOUND BURIED AT SOUTH POLE” Perhaps the ultimate Sunday Sport exclusive, this reported that the 109 from Croydon bus station had been hijacked by a green alien in 1961 and taken to the Antarctic (and of course the paper had a photo to prove it). Follow-up stories even detailed eyewitness accounts from passengers. “The whole journey is a complete blank,” said mature student John La Trobe, “but I do remember the penguins.”


Tickets please.....


2008/02/15 17:11:58
DRHollingsworth
Next you'll be telling us that Fleet Street has incontrovertible evidence that Elvis was the culprit
2008/02/15 17:25:22
SteveStrummerUK

ORIGINAL: DRHollingsworth

Next you'll be telling us that Fleet Street has incontrovertible evidence that Elvis was the culprit


Don't be ridiculous Doc, everyone knows he flew that bomber to the moon!


Now, I have to make a stand here guys - this forum is becoming notorious for going way off topic on all of the sensible threads.

For example. I started a thread before Christmas about setting up a time-dilating forum based on current latency technology but after a couple of days and 10 or 11 posts, people were chipping in, bold as brass and without any thought for the hallowed dignity of the forum, talking about recording music [can you believe it?], plug-ins, equalisation and something called GT3.

This disgraceful practice should, in my opinion, stop now so we can get back to what it's really all about - taking the p**s out of Pete.

Yours in anticipation of your cooperation

Stephen
2008/02/15 17:39:05
DRHollingsworth
Hmmm. Sound as if we have a malcontent in our midsts. I think it's time for an inquisition. To be held in the OT: GT Forum Chat.
2008/02/15 19:12:47
SteveStrummerUK

ORIGINAL: DRHollingsworth

Hmmm. Sound as if we have a malcontent in our midsts. I think it's time for an inquisition. To be held in the OT: GT Forum Chat.


But I want to stay here

Go on

Please

Pretty please

With sugar on
2008/03/05 18:56:46
SteveStrummerUK
Buil voor Bob
2008/03/05 19:52:48
Doc_Hollingsworth
Er ist die bump. Aber auf Holländer? Deutsch ist besser, Ich sagen
2008/03/06 15:09:36
Wedge598
That was very informative and helpful Robert.

The one part I'm still not sure I understand is that the sound from the tracks is being sent to two places. Part of it goes to the master bus which I presume is a raw copy of the track, and part of it goes to the reverb bus which then gets sent to the master bus after the effect is added. So what you hear then is a mixture of the raw track and the effected track?

Why wouldn't you want to send the entire signal only to the reverb bus? Isn't it harder to adjust the volume levels if the sound is coming from two places?
2008/03/06 20:39:22
RobertB
Good questions Wedge. These are some small questions with big answers. I have been pondering how to answer this over the past few hours, so I hope I don't get too long winded.
For the first part, yes, you are hearing a mixture of the raw source track and the effect track. The send essentially splits off a clone for the bus.
You could set the track output(s) to a bus, to apply a common effect, and that may work just fine.
Is it harder to adjust the volume levels with the sound coming from two different places? Yes, and no. Yes you do have more to keep track of, and this is one reason it is so important to have everything end up at the master bus(or bus A as you are seeing it. You can change the name if you like). However, by uncoupling the source track output from the effect, you can control them independently, which can make it easier to get the sound you really want.
I have a long history with painting and photography, so I tend to draw a lot of parallels to that. Your source tracks, with the instruments and vocals, are the colors on your palette. Reverb is light and shadow. It is this that gives the picture depth and dimension. If you apply reverb to you track outputs, it can be like flat lighting, where nothing really stands out. By allowing the tracks to come through dry, you can create the illusion of the instruments being up close and intimate, while the effect in the bus defines the space you are in. It gives you much more control, and you can get a more three dimensional effect to your recording. Light and shadow. This is why your average snapshot of the Grande Canyon never looks like the pictures in the magazines. And it's why so many home recording don't sound professional. Of course, there is much more to it, but this is a key element.
I use reverb as a typical example, but many effect are more effective when using a bus. Experiment, and compare what you hear to recordings that you hear on the radio, CDs, the Songs forum, etc. You will start to recognize what you are hearing people doing, and you can apply those techniques to your own songs.
Hope that helps. Good luck, and enjoy the journey.
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