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2017/06/23 15:40:49
jmasno5
Admittedly, I am a huge fan.  One thing that continues to puzzle me us how to get that chime/bell sounding acoustic guitar heard in many of their songs.
 
Left channel on Hey Jude
Opening chords to Polytheme Pam
I'm only Sleeping - very noticeable
We can work It Out
The list goes on.
 
How do I get that?  I've seen videos on what people have observed as mic placement via photographs. 
 
Has anyone here ever achieved that sound?  I love the way it punches through the mix.  Maybe I'm romanticizing the sound but since I've been mixing and listening to the individual parts of songs,  the acoustic has always stuck out.  A very forceful tone. 
 
I read in "Beatles Gear," that they use to plug their Gibson J-160's into a mic'd amp but I do not think that is what I'm hearing.
 
Thanks.
 
John
2017/06/23 16:40:40
bitflipper
This isn't much help for the bedroom producer, but the unfortunate answer is: really good microphones in some of the world's best rooms. 
 
The challenge of recording acoustic guitars is that they're, well, acoustic. As with violins and celli and hammered dulcimers, the room is half the equation. You need the difficult-to-achieve combination of a reverberant space that lacks discernable resonances. You can't get that in a small or square room, and you can't get it in a room with lots of acoustical absorption. IOW, the typical home studio.
 
What you can do is start with a microphone that does well at high frequencies. An SM-58 won't cut it. Ideally it'd be a small-diaphragm condenser, but any high-quality condenser microphone will work, preferably a multi-pattern model that will let you set it to omnidirectional mode. That eliminates the proximity effect while allowing more of the room reflections in.
 
Avoid some of the guitar's own uneven resonances by avoiding the "sound hole". The desirable sound of an acoustic guitar emanates from its top plate, not the hole. That's why most miking techniques have you pointing the mic somewhere between the neck and the hole. Experiment with how far away you can get the microphone before it starts sounding thin and nasty. The better the room, the farther you'll be able to place it. 
 
Because your room probably doesn't sound like EMI studios (and whose does?), use acoustical absorption to dampen reflections and make your room sound more neutral. It's a meat-axe solution, but the only option available for most of us. You'll just have to make up the lack of ambiance with artificial reverb.
 
Oh, and one more thought...fresh strings make a huge difference on steel-string guitars. Yeh, you'll have to constantly re-tune it but they'll be much brighter.
2017/06/23 18:49:05
ampfixer
I've been recording a lot of acoustics lately and Bit is on the money. I use a combination of a small and large diaphragm condenser mic's. It took a while to get really good sound, mostly because we have a large room and had to try different locations to find the sweet spot.
There are a lot of variables. Room location, mic direction, mic distance and strings all contribute. Strangely enough, I've found that the guitars record best once the strings are really broken in. It seems to cut down on stray harmonics and provide a more balanced sound. The Neuman KM184 is a real good small diaphragm mic for acoustics.
2017/06/23 18:57:28
AndyB01
bitflipper

Oh, and one more thought...fresh strings make a huge difference on steel-string guitars. Yeh, you'll have to constantly re-tune it but they'll be much brighter.


I agree with the first part, but if you take care to fit and stretch them properly they'll stay right on pitch. Check the re-stringing video on YouTube by Taylor Guitars, there's more to it than you might think. Andy
2017/06/23 19:09:48
bapu
Seems like maybe y'all left out another element.
 
Playing style.
2017/06/23 22:39:06
Jeff Evans
Something else everyone has failed to mention is the guitar itself.
 
I have a friend who has two Martin guitars both very expensive.  One has this huge big jangly sound to it. Massive tops and lows. Records like a dream. The sound cuts through a dense mix. The other one he has has this super light delicate sound to it.  Perfect for up close micing of finger picking styles.  Beats the other one hands down.  But for big solid rhythm chords the first one I mentioned kills.
 
Every brand of acoustic is going to sound a little different.  I bet the one Beatles recorded just had the sound built right in you are talking about.
 
Remember get right back to the source and the source is the guitar itself.  New strings every time as well.  No question there.
 
You can talk all day about rooms and microphones but if what you are recording does not have the sound you are after, no amount of that stuff will help you.  Get it right at the source!  An SM58 can sound fabulous if the guitar does.  Most microphones have an amazing ability to capture very accurately whatever they are put in front of.
2017/06/24 01:42:01
Rimshot
Jeff Evans
Something else everyone has failed to mention is the guitar itself.
 
I have a friend who has two Martin guitars both very expensive.  One has this huge big jangly sound to it. Massive tops and lows. Records like a dream. The sound cuts through a dense mix. The other one he has has this super light delicate sound to it.  Perfect for up close micing of finger picking styles.  Beats the other one hands down.  But for big solid rhythm chords the first one I mentioned kills.
 
Every brand of acoustic is going to sound a little different.  I bet the one Beatles recorded just had the sound built right in you are talking about.
 
Remember get right back to the source and the source is the guitar itself.  New strings every time as well.  No question there.
 

 
You can talk all day about rooms and microphones but if what you are recording does not have the sound you are after, no amount of that stuff will help you.  Get it right at the source!  An SM58 can sound fabulous if the guitar does.  Most microphones have an amazing ability to capture very accurately whatever they are put in front of.




2017/06/24 13:12:55
tlw
As well as the guitar, room and mics there's something else to consider.

Abbey Road studios used their valve REDD51 desks to record pretty much everything the Beatles did, prior to the solid-state TG12345 desks being introduced in the late 60s. EMI's engineering dept. designed and built their own desks and a lot of the other hardware used through the Beatle's period. The equipment had a very distinctive sound and "feel" and was anything but the transparent, or almost transparent, ultra-low distortion "ideal" that came along later with Neve and SSL designs. Everything went to Studer tape decks of course, with quite a lot of bouncing down sub-mixes to free off tracks for re-use.

It might be worth trying the Waves Abbey Rd REDD and TG12345, plate reverb and J37 tape deck emulations if you're after "that sound".
2017/06/24 15:52:53
jmasno5
Thanks to everyone.  All the input here is great. 
 
There are some submitted ideas I can try short of renting time at EMI.  Moving forward I'll experiment with new strings, test both my acoustic guitars, experiment with mics, mic positioning and playing in different parts of the house.  I will use my notebook computer to record if I find a sweet spot elsewhere in the house.  At mix level I could try using an effects AUX track.  Maybe if I blend in some sort of EQ curve I could come close.
 
I do feel the guitar is probably the biggest ingredient.  I remember now that a buddy of mine had a jumbo Guild.  It played with ease and had one of the richest tones I had ever heard.  I guess because it was so big.
 
Yes, I am a sucker for Waves Abbey Road plugs and have them all except for the vinyl one.  There is no doubt that the console desk and whatever other preamps they went through contributed to the sound I'm after.
 
Once again I thank you all for giving me your feedback.
2017/06/24 16:09:32
ampfixer
FYI - The Beatles acoustic recordings are usually attributed to the Gibson J-160E, but many of those iconic tracks were recorded using an Epiphone Texan. As Jeff points out, the guitar is central to the sound. The guy I work with is a collector of vintage Gibson acoustics and they all sound different, even within a model. All J-45's are not created equal. If you have Waves Abbey Road Plugs, the j37 tape emulator works great on acoustics with the tape delay feature. It's a bit of a gimmick, but a good one.
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