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  • How do Sonar handle CPU utilization? (p.2)
2017/09/19 07:58:04
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
...my question is, do Sonar favor multicore like video editing software or does it prefer less cores but higher performance?...

You can easily tell if Sonar is making use of multiple cores. Just load up one of your biggest projects and look at the CPU meters in the Performance Module on the Control Bar...

I can tell from my current setup that it's maxing out but I'm using an AMD A8-6600k so I'm pretty sure it is maxing out because it's inadequate for the job. Not necessarily because it tells me Sonar works great for multicore cpu or less core with higher single threaded performance.

 
Then maybe look at a smaller project that isn't maxing out. See whether the load is evenly distributed across all the cores.
2017/09/19 10:50:36
katsuneshinsengumi
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
...my question is, do Sonar favor multicore like video editing software or does it prefer less cores but higher performance?...

You can easily tell if Sonar is making use of multiple cores. Just load up one of your biggest projects and look at the CPU meters in the Performance Module on the Control Bar...

I can tell from my current setup that it's maxing out but I'm using an AMD A8-6600k so I'm pretty sure it is maxing out because it's inadequate for the job. Not necessarily because it tells me Sonar works great for multicore cpu or less core with higher single threaded performance.

 
Then maybe look at a smaller project that isn't maxing out. See whether the load is evenly distributed across all the cores.


I tried a simple mix with few tracks and plugins.
Only the first core is doing the work, and the remaining 3 seems to be only supplimenting the first core. If I'm gonna base on this result I really might end up on Intel.
2017/09/19 13:03:54
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
Kev999
katsuneshinsengumi
...my question is, do Sonar favor multicore like video editing software or does it prefer less cores but higher performance?...

You can easily tell if Sonar is making use of multiple cores. Just load up one of your biggest projects and look at the CPU meters in the Performance Module on the Control Bar...

I can tell from my current setup that it's maxing out but I'm using an AMD A8-6600k so I'm pretty sure it is maxing out because it's inadequate for the job. Not necessarily because it tells me Sonar works great for multicore cpu or less core with higher single threaded performance.

Then maybe look at a smaller project that isn't maxing out. See whether the load is evenly distributed across all the cores.

I tried a simple mix with few tracks and plugins.
Only the first core is doing the work, and the remaining 3 seems to be only supplimenting the first core. If I'm gonna base on this result I really might end up on Intel.

 
In that case, perhaps you would be better off with faster clock speed rather than extra cores. My projects tend to show an even spread across all cores. I'm currently upgrading to a 6850k-based (6-core) system.

Maybe someone else can explain why different users see different CPU behaviour.
2017/09/19 13:10:15
katsuneshinsengumi
Yeah, I think the i7 7700 is the way to go. It would be awesome if someone from Cakewalk will jump in to shed some light in how the Sonar really balance the CPU load. That might be too much to ask considering this post is just about choosing between cpus but maybe someone in the future wants to know it too. Thank you everyone, it's time to go full on with H270 platform.
2017/09/23 09:41:54
GjB
I'm a bit behind when it comes to the latest platforms and CPUs.
Coincidentally, the AMD website Ryzen Threadripper Processors section says:
Compose Music. Orchestrate Fleets.
Conquer design and gaming with Ryzen™ Threadripper™.
 
I didn't read further (I'm on a budget), but the Compose Music sales jargon seemed interesting anyway.
 
2017/09/23 10:26:18
katsuneshinsengumi
GjB
I'm a bit behind when it comes to the latest platforms and CPUs.
Coincidentally, the AMD website Ryzen Threadripper Processors section says:
Compose Music. Orchestrate Fleets.
Conquer design and gaming with Ryzen™ Threadripper™.
 
I didn't read further (I'm on a budget), but the Compose Music sales jargon seemed interesting anyway.
 

 
I'm also on a budget and Threadripper is way above my threshold. Besides, I rarely go past 26 tracks,.
2017/09/23 14:16:04
tlw
Given the choice of more slower cores or fewer faster, then I’d lean towards the fewer but faster, so long as the cpu has enough cores to start with. A fast i7 would be my choice, maybe i9 if the budget ran to it, but not if that meant a major slow-down in processing speed.

If the load being sent to one core/virtual core is more than its speed can handle adding more cores won’t solve that problem.

Large numbers of cores seems to mostly benefit video/film editing and rendering, where a lot of time can be saved by using cores in parallel each processing a chunk of the video and overall cpu speed matters less because the rendering is off-line and the extra cores more than compensates for the lower speed of each core.

DAW thread scheduling improvements and general software optimisation of DAWs and plugins may change that situation of course. In computing there’s always something a bit better coming along soon, so there’s never an ideal time to buy anything.

Like a lot of things in the world of DAWs, especially Windows DAWs, the only way to find out for sure what works best for your personal setup is to try it and see. Which is fine if you can afford to build/buy a bunch of differently configured computers for evaluation purposes. Failing that the best strategy is probably to look at what other people’s experience has been while paying attention to what competent professional DAW builders, like e.g. Jim Roseberry on this forum, say and do.
2017/09/23 14:18:42
abacab
tlw

Like a lot of things in the world of DAWs, especially Windows DAWs, the only way to find out for sure what works best for your personal setup is to try it and see. Which is fine if you can afford to build/buy a bunch of differently configured computers for evaluation purposes. Failing that the best strategy is probably to look at what other people’s experience has been while paying attention to what competent professional DAW builders, like e.g. Jim Roseberry on this forum, say and do.




What he said!  +1
2017/09/23 23:58:08
Kev999
The answer to the question "which is better, faster speed or extra cores" will be different for different users. If your projects display an even spread of activity across the cores, then you would benefit from more cores. If the lion's share of the work seems to be done by a single core, then definitely more speed would be preferable. In my case I opted for 50% more cores and 15% less speed.
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