Hello everyone
 
If somebody who owns the new version of Sonar could answer the following question, I'd appreciate it (I don't think a demo is available yet otherwise I'd try it out myself).
 
If you split a MIDI clip across one or more notes, what does Sonar do, i.e. does it ask you a question?
 
TIA :-)

I don't think so.
 
Sonar will split it exactly on the Now time

It will split the clip at the Now time, and the note will be cut off at that time. It can be reinstated to its full length by extending the first clip out again. It does not split the note into two. Possibly this behaviour can be changed in options, but that seems to be the default, at least here. I did not import settings from X3 so I guess this is the out of the box behaviour.

OK, thanks...that confirms my [s u s p i c i o n s].  Splitting MIDI clips across notes causes some very strange behaviour in X3.  That the software doesn't offer you the 3x requisite choices indicates to me that it (still) doesn't handle this scenario correctly.
 
What the software should do is to detect clip splitting across MIDI notes and offer the three following choices to the user:
 
1. Split (cut) the notes across the two clips
2. Truncate the notes such that they lie within the left hand clip
3. Preserve the note length(s), requiring an extension of the left hand clip (i.e. producing overlapping clips)
 
What X3 does (and I assume the new version also) is to leave the notes 'hanging' outside of the limits of the clip which contains them.  Subsequent clip manipulation causes the software to behave in an undefined manner because of this.

Don't know what you mean by 'hanging'
 
Sonar has, to my knowledge, always used option 1 in your list.

Hmmm. I just tried it (again), and it is more or less displaying the behaviour in option 2. Again that's a default install of Platinum, with no settings migrated or altered. I say more or less because 'subsequent clip manipulation' shows the truncated notes will actually preserve their length if the clip is extended, as per option 3. I don't see that as being undefined, though it may not be what the OP wants it to do. The truncated notes are not hanging, in the sense that they have a proper note-off, even though they will extend back to their original length if you extend the clip. To me it offers reasonable flexibility, though an option to split the notes themselves, instead of non-destructively truncating them could be useful in certain circumstandes I suppose.
 
I looked for customization options but didn't find much (others may know of more) - in Preferences, with Advanced selected, down at the bottom under Customization -> Editing, there's a checkbox, apparently ticked by default, called Non-destructive MIDI editing. With this box unticked, the behaviour is different - then it will not split the clip exactly at the Now time, but rather at the end of any notes currently active at the Now time. I'm not sure why you would want that, but it's possible. That's the only thing I could find.

Bristol_Jonesey
Don't know what you mean by 'hanging'

It's a non-technical, non-explicit term hence I used apostrophes to indicate this; I was trying to indicate a problematic condition for which no precise term exists.
 
Splitting a MIDI clip across notes creates a situation where the length of the notes effectively extends beyond the boundaries of the clip, i.e. it's 'hanging over the edge' hence 'hanging'.  The way Sonar handles MIDI notes is that they (should) exist within the boundaries of a clip, i.e. the software expects this to be the case; use the inline editor to draw a MIDI note in a track and Sonar will create a clip whose boundaries are the start and end of the note.
 
Splitting a clip across MIDI notes creates a situation which the Sonar software is not coded to handle, hence its very strange behaviour when subsequently manipulating the clip.  Some DAW software handles this situation correctly, for example Logic, which will ask you whether you wish to keep, shorten, or split the notes.
 
The fact that Sonar does not ask this question is indicative of a problem in its implementation.  This is pretty fundamental stuff.  The fact that you and subalearts gave different answers to how Sonar manages the situation illustrates that this is a somewhat grey area that people are not very aware of.

I've seen what ston is talking about.
 
Rears it's head if you split across a note the delete the right hand clip (i.e. no more MIDI to the right)
 
The cutoff note will simply continue to play for the duration of the song.
 
I've just learned to trim the note before I split.

I understand what you're saying about 'hanging' notes, but I don't necessarily agree that "Splitting a clip across MIDI notes creates a situation which the Sonar software is not coded to handle" - in fact from what I can see it is precisely able to handle this situation, and is doing so in a predictable and stable manner, as I've described. I agree that a choice of other ways of handling it would be nice, but is that the 'correct' solution? I'm pretty sure I would not want to be asked every time I split a clip, I would want to set it and forget it unless I needed it to be different. And I'm not sure what a more desirable default behaviour would be. "The fact that Sonar does not ask this question is indicative of a problem in its implementation" - or it could be indicative that CW has made a decision about how to handle it, which they feel is flexible and robust, but which you don't agree with. Anyway, 'nuff said.

bapu
I've seen what ston is talking about.
 
Rears it's head if you split across a note the delete the right hand clip (i.e. no more MIDI to the right)
 
The cutoff note will simply continue to play for the duration of the song.
 
I've just learned to trim the note before I split.

Hmmm. Have you tried it in Platinum? I have just tried it a number of times and each time the note that is truncated by the split stops playing correctly, no hanging involved. If you extend the clip to display the clipped note at its original length - or anything in between - it plays the correct, displayed length of the note, with a note-off. At least, here, so far, with the vsti's I've tried it on. Is anyone seeing otherwise in Platinum?