• SONAR
  • [As usual - spoke too soon. Still not solved.] What do I do when my project is hosed? (p.3)
2014/12/15 15:25:35
dwardzala
What is Sonar recognizing as the audio interface in preferences, the Burson or the on-board sound?
2014/12/15 15:30:38
Anderton
The problem with ASIO4ALL isn't necessarily with how it works, but how it affects other drivers on your computer.
2014/12/16 09:48:16
mleghorn
I can confirm that the upgrade to the latest asio4all fixed my issue. Yay!
2014/12/16 10:30:41
johnnyV
Well I guess even asio4all progresses with time and my information on it is outdated. Glad it's working for you. 
You got me wondering if my old Creative Audigy with digital out would possibly work again. I certainly didn't in the past. 
Which OS are you running per chance? 
2014/12/18 00:18:53
mleghorn
mleghorn
I'm using 64-bit -- Windows 8.1



2014/12/18 19:13:05
robert_e_bone
While it may be working for you at the moment - once you get into more complex projects and put more demand on conversion and effects and all that, you may one day find your CPU not able to give you adequate performance.
 
I would urge you to have a plan B, for picking up some sort of dedicated audio interface at that point (my vote is for sooner actually), which will REALLY make a big difference on how hard you can push things in your projects without having audio glitches and dropouts and crackles and dog-punting desires.
 
A dedicated audio interface will take over the responsibility for doing the analog/digital conversions and all that, which will make your CPU work WAY less hard, freeing it up for other useful pleasantries.
 
Glad you are working, though, just planting seeds in your brain with the above, for some future picking up of some sort of dedicated interface.
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/12/19 10:55:35
LLyons
I had somewhat of the same thing happening except it was a few pops, and the system would lock.  I finally narrowed it down to 2 things with the help the forum.  The first was, somehow,  when I would save a project, the project would start autosaving every few seconds, even though the defaults in setup were for every 30 changes or so.  Got around that by shutting off autosave, saving the project and then coming back in and changing the autosave setup back.   The second was a rouge vst - BBE.   I bought a copy of BBE on the Cakewalk web store YEARS ago.  It has a nice effect when used sparingly on vocals.
 
I have another problem in that my system is old as you can see - I have a definite max on the number of tracks because of hardware, so I write and record responsibly  :o)
 
LL   
2014/12/19 12:44:10
mleghorn
Thanks everyone for you ideas. I'll stick with ASIO4ALL - 4 - now :-) 
 
My computer isn't doing any A/D conversion. I have one analog device that I use occasionally (Microbrute). For that I use a Tascam interface to do the A/D. Other than that, I only use VSTs. As for D/A conversion, I hope my computer isn't doing any of that either, since I'm using the optical out of my sound card to my Headphone Amp/DAC.
 
The Tascam interface doesn't have a digital out, so I don't use it as an output device. 
2014/12/19 14:29:09
lawp
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
2014/12/19 19:40:27
robert_e_bone
mleghorn
Thanks everyone for you ideas. I'll stick with ASIO4ALL - 4 - now :-) 
 
My computer isn't doing any A/D conversion. I have one analog device that I use occasionally (Microbrute). For that I use a Tascam interface to do the A/D. Other than that, I only use VSTs. As for D/A conversion, I hope my computer isn't doing any of that either, since I'm using the optical out of my sound card to my Headphone Amp/DAC.
 
The Tascam interface doesn't have a digital out, so I don't use it as an output device. 


ALL audio stored on a computer is in digital format, and when you play back an audio file, whatever program is playing it back converts that digital format into analog signal that then gets routed to the speakers.  In the same way, when you record, the software you are using to record converts the analog signal (vocals through mic, guitar plugged in, some instrument plugged in), into a digital stream that is then saved on the hard drive.
 
so, analog/digital and digital/analog conversion happens all the time when working with recording software.
 
The thing is that if you are using something like ASIO4ALL to simulate the ASIO drivers of an actual audio interface, all of that conversion (both directions), is handled by your computer's CPU.  This isn't an issue for playing back an audio file such as an MP3, but when you get into multiple tracks in Sonar, with effects and soft synths and all that, this becomes too much for the CPU to handle very quickly, and THIS is when you start getting dropouts and crackles and pops and noise.  
 
So, now days, dedicated audio interfaces exist, and the drivers for these route the files to dedicated circuitry in the audio interface, that performs all of that processing-intensive conversion to and from analog and digital, and it frees up the computer's CPU for doing other things, and having such an audio interface should eliminate problems with dropouts and crackles and pops and such.
 
So that is what I meant by analog/digital conversion (actually both directions).  That is all happening for you behind the scenes, but it is indeed taking place on your computer when you work with Sonar.
 
One of these dedicated audio interfaces can be purchased brand new, starting around $125-$150, on up to more than $500, depending on features present on the interface (number of inputs and outputs, phantom power, supported sample rates, quality of converters).  Many of the lower-end costing interfaces still have decent quality converters - they just maybe only allow 2 ins and 2 outs, versus some that allow 8 ins and outs etc.
 
Just make sure whenever you DO decide to get one, that you check to make sure they have software drivers for Windows 7 and hopefully Windows 8.
 
I hope I explained the above better this time - sorry for any confusion, 
 
Bob Bone
 
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