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  • How do I reset previous project from 44.1k to 48k?
2015/01/24 20:20:09
gbarrett
I'm working on some video post production stuff.  The audio files used to play for the recording were done at 44.1k, but the video was recorded at 48k.  Most of the original music was midi-based in Sonar with Kontakt and other soft synths.  I need to remix some of the files.  Is there a way to change the project settings for the original files to 48k then re-record or re-freeze the synths and still get the 48k?  I know I can create a new project file with the default set to 48k, but I'm hoping there is another way with few steps.
 
The reason for doing this is when I import the original 44.1k audio files into the video editing software, the timing drifts after awhile.  With a test audio file (the timely method) converted to 48k, things stay in sync.
 
Thanks for the help.
2015/01/24 21:27:45
gswitz
The project gets the bit depth from the audio files in the Audio Folder. If you copy the project folder and convert all of the wave files to 48 in that folder your project will be at 48.
 
You can use Sonar to do this one file at a time or you can use a tool like this...
http://waveshop.sourceforge.net/
 
2015/01/25 03:35:35
Sanderxpander
You can also do it with a whole bunch of files in one go with Sonar. Create a 48K project, put at least one 48K file in there. Now drag all audio files from your other project into this one. When done, you'll have identically named files in the new audio folder at 48K.
2015/01/25 07:23:52
maltastudio
Use  r8brain to change all audio (in the project audio folder)  to your desired sample and bit rate.
 
Peace
2015/01/25 07:52:00
gswitz
Nice one Sanderxpander. 
2015/01/25 17:35:22
gbarrett
Thanks guys.
2015/01/25 19:19:17
gbarrett
I think I spoke too soon.  Here is what I've learned in the last 24 hours:
1.  If a project was created using the 44.1k rate set in preferences, all software synths will use that setting.
2.  Deleting audio files of one sample rate and replacing them with the new sample rate creates something really unstable since somewhere the original sample rate is written in the file.  (ask me how I know,...)
3.  I can export the wav files from Sonar into a different format, but there is little guarantee they will time-align when reassembled. 
 
It appears that even a simple midi-only file using soft synths will need to have the tracks copied into a new file with the required sample rate.  I was hoping there was a dialogue box somewhere that would let me change the properties of a file so that all synths would magically switch to the new setting.
 
I will try to use the time-stretch feature to align exported files to the video file.
 
Thanks for the input.
2015/01/25 19:37:09
Sanderxpander
Sorry to hear that. How about freezing all synths and dragging all the audio into a new 48K project? Or exporting stems at 48K?
2015/01/26 06:52:54
AndreyB
gbarrett
2.  Deleting audio files of one sample rate and replacing them with the new sample rate creates something really unstable since somewhere the original sample rate is written in the file.  (ask me how I know,...)
 

That's really weird. I personally used the replacing files's sample rate method quite a few times back at X2 days and never had any problems with that. All those projects had a bunch of softsynths in each one too (including Kontakt). Could you elaborate on that "really unstable"? Because there is a chance the whole instability thing could be caused by your audio interface which is having troubles locking to 48 on the fly and back (like my Fast Track Ultra, which can even BSOD sometimes for that matter if I try to switch rates when something like a music player is set on pause in the background or a browser window is opened with Soundcloud or something).
2015/01/26 11:11:29
dlion16
i've had good looks between sonar and vegas just by exporting at 48/16 from sonar. theoretically, vegas can have any file format, bit rate on the TL. in practice, bringing in a 48/16 files is good, 44/24, not so...
 
another option would be to export at the frame rate of the project and then convert to 44/16 in sound forge or the like... i've had success this way too.
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