• SONAR
  • Drum Map Affecting Track Solo? (p.2)
2014/02/18 17:25:22
bapu
I call it a design flaw.
(see what I did there?)
2014/02/18 22:50:07
Splat
It's a bug... and for some reason it takes a feature request to fix it....

If it was a feature request then a useless SOLO button wouldn't be around for the user to press, leaving the user scratching his head wondering what the heck is going on... and there's no third party code involved either to point to.
 
If anybody can see any flaw in my logic here please do speak up I won't bite.
2014/02/18 23:43:53
icontakt
Could someone please post easy steps to reproduce the issue maybe using TTS-1 or Studio Instruments? If you're talking about the MIDI and audio tracks not getting automatically soloed when you solo the drum map track, I think it's a design flaw and not a bug (because the Solo button on the drum map track does solo the track). 
2014/02/19 00:23:07
Splat
If a design flaw how come the mute buttons work? Are mute buttons designed differently to solo buttons when it comes to signal path or is there some sort of quantum black hole between each button? :)

Anyway gonna think of way of demoing this properly over the next few weeks...
2014/02/19 00:40:26
icontakt
Because, even if what comes next isn't muted, if you mute what comes first then you won't hear it.
But if what comes next isn't soloed, you won't hear it even if you solo what comes first.
That's my logic. Maybe. 
2014/02/19 02:57:41
brundlefly
 
CakeAlexS
If a design flaw how come the mute buttons work? Are mute buttons designed differently to solo buttons when it comes to signal path or is there some sort of quantum black hole between each button? :)

Anyway gonna think of way of demoing this properly over the next few weeks...



There's no need to demo anything. The limitation is well understood, and I'm sure the Bakers will get around to adding the capability to intelligently solo soft synth output tracks on the other side of a drum map eventually.
 
To hear a MIDI driven synth, it has always been necessary to solo both the MIDI track driving it and the audio track echoing the output. With hardware synths, it's still necessary to do that manually or by deliberately grouping the buttons or using Solo Override to keep audio outputs soloed. With soft synths, SONAR added the convenience of linking the solo buttons for you.
 
But drum maps pre-date soft synths; in fact, they pre-date support for audio; they're just MIDI translators. So when you assign the output of the MIDI track to a drum map, SONAR currently has no way if determining what audio track(s) are on the other side of the synth(s) on the other side of the port(s) specified in the drum map or what you would or wouldn't want soloed when you solo the MIDI track. Adding that capability would require writing a significant amount of new code - i.e. adding a feature.
 
And the solo buttons are working just l like they always have, limiting the output to tracks that are soloed. It just happens that it takes the output of two tracks for a soft synth to be heard. Mute isn't affected the same way, because it only takes one of the two tracks to be muted (or not soloed) to silence the synth.
 
None of this is a bug in the conventional sense of a feature that is intended and advertised to work but does not. It's a non-existent feature.
2014/02/19 03:18:53
icontakt
I wonder if Cubase has the same issue. It has a similar drum editor, doesn't it?
2014/02/19 06:07:36
Splat
I'm not sure... let me consult my workflow manual.... Solo buttons maps to D here I think...
 
 

 
 
2014/02/19 10:06:26
Bristol_Jonesey
I get around the limitation simply by placing all of my drum audio/midi tracks into 1 folder.
Solo the FOLDER so that all the audio tracks + the midi track are solo'ed, then the drum map works as expected.
2014/02/19 11:55:26
bapu
Bristol_Jonesey
I get around the limitation simply by placing all of my drum audio/midi tracks into 1 folder.
Solo the FOLDER so that all the audio tracks + the midi track are solo'ed, then the drum map works as expected.


So you split a typical MIDI drum track into kit pieces and then have a folder for the kick MIDI and kick audio and so on for each kit piece?
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