• SONAR
  • There is no subscription!!!!! (p.10)
2015/01/17 22:28:08
Kev999
Some words have a technical meaning, when applied specifically in a particular context by specialists, as well as an everyday meaning for normal useage. Arguably, CW's new business model does not follow the established "software subscription model" that other companies have adopted, hence "non-subscription" (technical meaning). On the other hand, regardless of what the details of the terms and condition are, continuing payments for membership of anything anywhere implies "subscription" (everyday meaning).

2015/01/17 22:29:06
Anderton
Sweet Tooth
A new user who pays for 4 months and stops payment leaves with no perpetual license...This is by definition subscription software.




Wow, and now you're making up your own definition because the one YOU provided as a counter-argument was an utter failure at a counter-argument and is a direct contradiction to what you're saying! Way to go!! 
 
From the link YOU provided:
 
"Subscription license models still seem to cause a fair amount of anxiety among customers looking into the possibility of offering such a model for their traditional software. While there are some minor variances in the interpretation of a subscription license model, It is typically defined as an annual or multi-year software license that combines the right-to-use the software with the rights to obtain software updates and service. At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."
 
Read carefully and slowly: AT THE END OF THE TERM. The term for Cakewalk's membership program is not 4 months, as given in your "example." It is 12 months.
 
I realize that the number 12 exceeds the number of fingers and toes you have, and therefore might present a challenge. But I think everyone here will back me up when I say that the number 4 does not equal the number 12, which is the length of the term.
2015/01/17 22:30:38
Paul P
Anderton
However, rest assured we all appreciate the convenience of having you come in here, making a ridiculous argument, and then demolishing it yourself so we don't have to. It saves us all some time.



C'mon Craig, you're Gibson's representative here.  Act like it or I'm telling Henry
 
Your Cakewalk brethren, on the other hand, are saints.
 
2015/01/17 22:32:44
Sweet Tooth
Anderton
Sweet Tooth
Ironic because I would say the same.



Of course you would! Why say things that make sense?
 
Fortunately, you have proven incontrovertibly and beyond a shadow of any possible doubt that you indeed choose not to see, because you obviously did not read the link YOU (yes, you) so generously provided that totally and completely undermines your faux argument. But thanks for that!
 
Read post #85 to fully comprehend the extent to which you've made a fool of yourself.
 
However, rest assured we all appreciate the convenience of having you come in here, making a ridiculous argument, and then demolishing it yourself so we don't have to. It saves us all some time.




The point was to say that I could use the same argument, that quite possibly he could be Blind. 
 
This is not a faux argument. I know there are a lot of Yes Men around these woods, as stated previously the Subscription model does not come in single form, there are many. Cake is offering IMO and the opinion of many others a subscription model. If I pay for 4 months and stop payment my license ceases, just like it is proposed in my so called undermining article I linked to. I, YES , I Have read the articles.
 
The people will define it, and sure enough anyone I have talked to about the "New Sonar" has mentioned it being Subscription because that is how they see it.
2015/01/17 22:33:35
John
To be candid I am not sure how this will benefit CW. It will be a boon to young musicians just starting out and don't have the money to buy Sonar up front. If I were in there shoes I would jump on this. Its a great deal. In the past I have passed up a DAW because I just couldn't afford it. CW has open the doors for all.
 
Perhaps by letting those that would like to have Sonar have an inexpensive way to get a Pro quality DAW they will get a lot more customers.      
2015/01/17 22:33:35
Paul P
mike_mccue
   [odd picture]...




That one when right over my head, Mike.  Or right through my head, I'm not sure.
 
2015/01/17 22:35:03
Marcus Curtis
At this point I would say we are spiting hairs here. I think it is probably better to agree to disagree. Even if you pay up to 11 months you have still not met the cost to upgrade on the previous model.
 
Due to my experience with adobe I tend to think of subscription models as renting the use of the software and never acquiring a perpetual license. This seems more like a payment plan to me. It does not fit in a standard subscription model mold. but like I said, It is probably better to agree to disagree on this point.
2015/01/17 22:37:53
Anderton
Paul P
Marcus Curtis
This is their definition. "Typically Defined" means, or the normal definition and I quote "At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."



This is exactly what happens during the first 11 months of payments for those who do not buy up front.

 
IT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENS!!!
 
You, an otherwise intelligent and interesting person, has become infected by trollboy and are now quoting things as arguments that demolish your argument!! To wit:

 
"At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."
 
Repeat after me:
 
A TERM IS NOT 11 MONTHS.
 
A TERM IS NOT 1 MONTH.
 
A TERM IS NOT FOUR MONTHS.
 
A TERM IS 12 MONTHS. After that THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE DOES NOT CEASE. It is therefore not a rental program by the very definition that you and "Sweet Tooth" a/k/a etc. etc. etc. etc. cite. 
 
Is there any possible way I can make this clearer? 
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