• SONAR
  • There is no subscription!!!!! (p.9)
2015/01/17 20:59:48
hockeyjx
Dr. Evil: Scott, you just don't get it, do ya? You don't. 
2015/01/17 21:03:59
Sweet Tooth
Subscriptions do end when you stop paying.
 
What is appalling to me is a Company trying to pretend as if their business model is not subscription based and even more appalling to me are the forumites supporting that position by forcefully shoving their definition down everyone's throat. There is nothing wrong with the new subscription model, it is where the software industry is moving as a whole but please...Call it what it is.
 
Definition #3 states it very clearly and can be interpreted in a modern context very easily.
 
:  an arrangement for providing, receiving, or making use of something of a continuing or periodic nature on a prepayment plan: as

:  a purchase by prepayment for a certain number of issues (as of a periodical) 
:  application to purchase securities of a new issue 
:  a method of offering or presenting a series of public performances 
British :  membership dues
 
 
For all who want to know about subscription based licensing there is a whole wealth of info...
 
http://blogs.flexerasoftware.com/ecm/
 
Decent blog post...
 
http://blogs.flexerasoftware.com/ecm/2010/09/making-the-subscription-software-licensing-model-work-for-you.html
 
"The subscription license model typically involves providing the combination of a software license (or “right to use” the software) along and all software updates during a period of time, typically on an annual basis."
 
Different models exist, you may be able to keep Sonar after 12 months but you keep nothing if you pay to play for only 4 months. The right to keep your license after 12 months is an Incentive to subscribe annually.
2015/01/17 21:48:02
John
None are so blind as those that will not see.
2015/01/17 21:52:00
Marcus Curtis
Sweet Tooth
Subscriptions do end when you stop paying.
 
What is appalling to me is a Company trying to pretend as if their business model is not subscription based and even more appalling to me are the forumites supporting that position by forcefully shoving their definition down everyone's throat. There is nothing wrong with the new subscription model, it is where the software industry is moving as a whole but please...Call it what it is.
 
Definition #3 states it very clearly and can be interpreted in a modern context very easily.
 
:  an arrangement for providing, receiving, or making use of something of a continuing or periodic nature on a prepayment plan: as

:  a purchase by prepayment for a certain number of issues (as of a periodical) 
:  application to purchase securities of a new issue 
:  a method of offering or presenting a series of public performances 
British :  membership dues
 
 
For all who want to know about subscription based licensing there is a whole wealth of info...
 
http://blogs.flexerasoftware.com/ecm/
 
Decent blog post...
 
http://blogs.flexerasoftware.com/ecm/2010/09/making-the-subscription-software-licensing-model-work-for-you.html
 
"The subscription license model typically involves providing the combination of a software license (or “right to use” the software) along and all software updates during a period of time, typically on an annual basis."
 
Different models exist, you may be able to keep Sonar after 12 months but you keep nothing if you pay to play for only 4 months. The right to keep your license after 12 months is an Incentive to subscribe annually.


This is from the link you provided,
 
"Subscription license models still seem to cause a fair amount of anxiety among customers looking into the possibility of offering such a model for their traditional software. While there are some minor variances in the interpretation of a subscription license model, It is typically defined as an annual or multi-year software license that combines the right-to-use the software with the rights to obtain software updates and service. At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."
 
http://blogs.flexerasoftware.com/ecm/2010/03/dont-be-afraid-of-subscription-license-models.html
 
This is their definition. "Typically Defined" means, or the normal definition and I quote "At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."
 
This is what most people believe a software subscription to be. That is the general subscription license model. The difference here is that you don't ever lose the right to use the software. You eventually get a perpetual license. If Cakewalk did not offer you the payment option you would still need to make the very same lump sum payment to get the upgrade. This is the exact same payment I made to get X3 producer. If you only made 4 payments then you did not meet the cost for the upgrade and therefore you are cut off. This is a lot different then the standard subscription model.
 
You could argue that the membership is a subscription in and of itself and that may very well be the case, but the license is not based on a standard subscription model and that is where the confusion is coming from. People are arguing that it is a subscription.
2015/01/17 21:52:34
Sweet Tooth
John
None are so blind as those that will not see.


 
Ironic because I would say the same.
2015/01/17 22:12:41
Anderton
Sweet Tooth
Ironic because I would say the same.



Of course you would! Why say things that make sense?
 
Fortunately, you have proven incontrovertibly and beyond a shadow of any possible doubt that you indeed choose not to see, because you obviously did not read the link YOU (yes, you) so generously provided that totally and completely undermines your faux argument. But thanks for that!
 
Read post #85 to fully comprehend the extent to which you've made a fool of yourself.
 
However, rest assured we all appreciate the convenience of having you come in here, making a ridiculous argument, and then demolishing it yourself so we don't have to. It saves us all some time.
2015/01/17 22:15:54
Paul P
John
No they reposes it until you pay the balance.



You're make this up, right John ?
 
2015/01/17 22:20:25
Sweet Tooth
Marcus Curtis
 
...
 
This is their definition. "Typically Defined" means, or the normal definition and I quote "At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."
 
This is what most people believe a software subscription to be. That is the general subscription license model. The difference here is that you don't ever lose the right to use the software. You eventually get a perpetual license. If Cakewalk did not offer you the payment option you would still need to make the very same lump sum payment to get the upgrade. This is the exact same payment I made to get X3 producer. If you only made 4 payments then you did not meet the cost for the upgrade and therefore you are cut off. This is a lot different then the standard subscription model.
 
You could argue that the membership is a subscription in and of itself and that may very well be the case, but the license is not based on a standard subscription model and that is where the confusion is coming from. People are arguing that it is a subscription.




Yes, Subscribers are often called members. There is no single form of the subscription model or SaaS (Software as a Service), Let us take a look at what Wiki has to say...
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscription_business_model
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service
 
Adobe is SaaS and is not cloud computed.
 
The purchase of razor cartridges can be considered a subscription model, heck Gillete even has a Subscription Shave plan now.
 
Razor and Blades business model
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebie_marketing
 
 
A new user who pays for 4 months and stops payment leaves with no perpetual license...This is by definition subscription software.
 
2015/01/17 22:23:20
John
Paul P
John
No they reposes it until you pay the balance.



You're make this up, right John ?
 


Sort of. In effect they do by it reverting to a demo. This wont happen if the monthly payments are made or you pay in full for the upgrade. Its just like buying anything. It will not go into demo mode after the full amount is paid and you do not need to pay another dime. 
2015/01/17 22:24:39
Paul P
Marcus Curtis
This is their definition. "Typically Defined" means, or the normal definition and I quote "At the end of the term, all rights associated with the use of the software and the acquisition of updates ceases."



This is exactly what happens during the first 11 months of payments for those who do not buy up front.
 
More precisely, it is what happens at the end of each month if you don't pay for the next, until you hit the 12th.
 
So :  subscription, rental, instalment all apply during the first 11 months.
 

This is what most people believe a software subscription to be. That is the general subscription license model. The difference here is that you don't ever lose the right to use the software.

 
I'm sorry Marcus, but this simply isn't true for the first 11 months.
 
 
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