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Karyn
Everyone who upgraded X1 - X2 - X3 - Platinum  (and didn't deliberately update late to out of date versions) paid way more than you.  Why exactly do you feel cheated?

I would not call using an older version for some time a deliberate update to out of date versions. Why would someone do such a thing? The reason I did not update to X3 right away, is because I had just spent money upgrading to X2. And the reason I did upgraded to X2 late is because when it was released I had just spent money updating to X1.

So in a year upgrade to Platinum.
 
Simples. Do it the way you have always done it then you're not "cheated".

garyed
I must be missing something with this no more version releases stuff. It sounds to me like just semantics. What's the difference between a new version release & an update? Isn't that what a version release was when it was just an added number to the version?  Just added features & bug fixes. Instead of selling Producer X4 they're calling it Platinum.

The difference is that instead of waiting a year or more and then getting a new version with lots of changes all at once, then waiting 3 months while they release several bug fixes,  you now get each individual update as soon as it is ready.  then another, and another...
If there is a problem that needs fixing it can be quickly rolled back and a fix release without borking* all the rest of the software.
 
 
 
 
*yes, that's an official word

I have not read all the Post's but here is my opinion:

When someone want to sell a product like, a house, car , boat or a program like cakewalk sonar / Cubase
whatever it is.... the seller and buyer must agree on the trade.

Now usually a buyer intend to purchase whatever it is, in great condition.
the seller if it is a trustworthy and sincerely seller...... he sell you a great product.

Now if the product is great, both are happy... and no other trades or issues need to be done.

The word spreads, you can safely buy from him... , others will also do trades with him and make him some moneyz.

Case closed, no issues....
...................................................................................................................................

(The problem arise, when the seller have product issues....)


All great
1. We will do all the updates for free, cause we want the buyer to have a fully working product.
   ( the customer will be happy, he buys the product )
    and he will spread the word how great the product is, and he will continue to use the product.

ok....to a certain level
2. We will do the updates, but we charge $25, per update...
    costing him maybe up to 50% more than expected for the " final " product.
    ( this do not give a quite happy customer ) he will get his product for more.
    will he spread the word, maybe and maybe not, will he continue to use the
    product, well it depends....

A pain
3. We will do updates, it is free for a while, then we make another version after.
   ( the buyer get he's product, and it is still bug'd at the end )
    the developer offers the new version for " lets say "  $199
   ( the buyer get the new version and pay up the money, he now hope it is all " solved or better " )
No the buyer still get bug's and a unstable product, will it be better ? Hopefully !
    will the buyer continue to use the product, that depends and some will change to another ( DAW )

Will there be a solution, no ever, the bugs continue to live in the next version....and so forth.

hey it mutate's  ?

So i say :
I want my product stable from day one, at a main price with no strange " after effects..."

Let's get a product that works, before any " new version " is coming out
It is priority one (1) to have a rock solid program and a happy developer, and customers.

Then come with the new , special, tasty new version, when it is all " professional baked " in the oven

That is Pro , and Pro sell's.

( for now ill keep my X3, it serves me well enough )

Jan

Bump..., what is your opinion's ?

btw, i agree that a developer must have cash for a new product, that's not the issue !
everyone need they'r money to live of course.

Issue is if the buyer never get's a stable product, regardless of what version he /she may have.

This new sales model puts everyone on the same playing field and should eliminate this "I just got my... now there is a new" ... 

"Yea!  An extra 25 really makes me crazy!"
 
Really?

Soundblend
I have not read all the Post's but here is my opinion:

When someone want to sell a product like, a house, car , boat or a program like cakewalk sonar / Cubase
whatever it is.... the seller and buyer must agree on the trade.

Now usually a buyer intend to purchase whatever it is, in great condition.
the seller if it is a trustworthy and sincerely seller...... he sell you a great product.

Now if the product is great, both are happy... and no other trades or issues need to be done.

The word spreads, you can safely buy from him... , others will also do trades with him and make him some moneyz.

Case closed, no issues....
...................................................................................................................................

(The problem arise, when the seller have product issues....)


All great
1. We will do all the updates for free, cause we want the buyer to have a fully working product.
 ( the customer will be happy, he buys the product )
  and he will spread the word how great the product is, and he will continue to use the product.

ok....to a certain level
2. We will do the updates, but we charge $25, per update...
  costing him maybe up to 50% more than expected for the " final " product.
  ( this do not give a quite happy customer ) he will get his product for more.
  will he spread the word, maybe and maybe not, will he continue to use the
  product, well it depends....

A pain
3. We will do updates, it is free for a while, then we make another version after.
 ( the buyer get he's product, and it is still bug'd at the end )
  the developer offers the new version for " lets say "  $199
 ( the buyer get the new version and pay up the money, he now hope it is all " solved or better " )
No the buyer still get bug's and a unstable product, will it be better ? Hopefully !
  will the buyer continue to use the product, that depends and some will change to another ( DAW )

Will there be a solution, no ever, the bugs continue to live in the next version then the next and so forth.

hey it mutate's  ?

So i say :
I want my product stable from day one, at a main price with no strange " after effects..."

Let's get a product that works, before any " new version " is coming out
It is priority one (1) to have a rock solid program and happy developer, and customers.

Then come with the new , special, tasty new version, when it is all " professional baked " in the oven

That is Pro , and Pro sell's.

( for now ill keep my X3, it serves me well enough )

Jan

I agree with your assessment here. You did leave out typical life spans and how long you would expect legacy products to be supported. Rock solid may also be an unreasonable request due to differences among machines and other products installed etc. I have been pretty happy with the value and stability of X3.
 
Rocky

And if / when they may be able to fix a version to more or less, " bug free " !

And then they release a new version, it is most commonly that the BUG found...
is in the new Code rather than the old, making it easier to track down and fix... right ?

if they do not add 100 new thingy's in there... ( but it will still be in the new code )


It is easy, lets all agree that there will be no, new version or added functions until everything works
and let the bakers have time to do their work.

We cant expect to have / get a good product, if we nag all the time about i want this and
i want that for functions let the programmers do their work and fix what is already there
and it will be great.

Jan

Jan, you seem like a good guy with some good points. Peoples seeming unwillingness to engage with you is caused by 10 days of talking about this whole new deal and some(at least me)are a bit burned out. If you come across this anywhere else in the Forums you will know why. I don't speak for everyone but I know I speak for some.