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Sanderxpander
I'm really hoping for more AudioSnap or Melodyne/ARA enhancements. That this is mentioned by the bakers is good news but it's obviously not there yet. Specifically, it would be great if Melodyne timing would be somehow visually respresented in the Sonar arrangement, similar to the new VocalSync. Also, and this may be my laziness as I haven't finished the multitrack drum editing, but it would be great if Audiosnap would process multiple group clips similarly. Like, if I move a snare hit, the overheads would move with it. Right now there's a lot of room for mess-ups. CTRL-slip edit also doesn't work on multiple clips at the same time unless I'm missing something. I believe Logic already did this during version 9.

You mean wouldn't it be great if Sonar did phase coherent quantization across multiple tracks in one process like other DAWs do?  
 
Couldn't agree more! Audio snap "improvements" are a big let down for me in this release

Yes, same here. Here's to hoping those are some of the "mystery improvements" yet to come.

Hello,
I have to say that I am not so much underwhelmed... But if that is the case, for me that is a good thing.. It means that I am not spending time dealing with bugs.  It means that I get to continue my progression from a stable platform to another stable platform in that I can focus on music production and not "instability".  It means that instead of getting a "Big Christmas" with lots of "gifts, I get a few quality gifts that carry more productive weight. 
 
Underwhelmed, Could be accurate... Ok...thanks.. Much better than frustrated, crash prone, dead in the water and out of  a 150 beans....For that I am grateful... And looking forward to the other stuff.... My two pence.....

X3e works fine I have a lot of the features they include in Platinum ...149.00$ I have to do some research to judge whether to upgrade, doesn't sound like a lot for the $? and if you pay 149 /year makes me think just saying..... 

John

yevster
Before or after the C & D updates? And have you never had FX tails in the beginning of your exported mixes? Or random midi events transmitted to all your softsynths?

I have the buffer issue  that you call tails. I have never had any random events going to anything. The buffer thing can be deleted or cut from the mix. 

 I answered the audio buffer issue in a different thread. Random MIDI events - nope. 

declan
Yes X3 spoiled me.  It and 8.5 are my favorite CW releases of all time (big nod to Sonar 1 with VSTs !!!).

 
This. 8.5 was a monster upgrade, and the X3 upgrade was pretty awesome for, what was it, $99?
 
I think this whole thing is 1 step forward, 1 step lateral. The new features are cool, but pretty workmanlike. On the box they don't look like much but in use I'm finding them pretty awesome. The whole new pricing model and whatnot, I think the best of that is yet to come. Surprisingly, I found the bonus content particularly valuable this time around (the AD Paks being the top) and I hardly ever find the new synths and samples exciting at all.
 
All in all, it gets a thumbs up for me, though like stated I think a check-in after we get the next couple of updates will start to really tell the story. I'm excited!
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Well its tricky to compare since we have changed the product model to be one of continuous enhancement.
For one if we were releasing under the old model, you would have seen a couple more features baked in (drum replacer and the touch kbd for one) out of the gate and a few patches. If you take those into account its certainly pretty much on par with the feature count in X3.
However now for the same cost you will now get those features and a whole bunch of features we already have planned for the year. 
Also another point to make is X3 added support for two standards - ARA and VST3. We pick stuff like that carefully since it requires years of maintenance. Surely you don't expect us to add new standards every year :) The new SONAR includes enhancements to both those standards. You will hear more about it when the upcoming features are unveiled.
Additionally some users would argue that they want more improvements than new features. We focused on these requests as well and improved stability and workflow.
 
To summarize you aren't getting less at all and the next few months will prove it.
 

Are you working on a mastering suite and/or chord track?

In person , i ordered X3 , installed it , trried it and then unsinstal it ....still on X1   , i bought X3 to support Cakewalk and i just placed an order on platnum ....for the very same reason ...
 
I give em one year to prove what hey say , all i can say based on facts only is that we're luky to be dealing with one of the most (if not the most) dynamic dev team in the biz ... compared to other static dinosaure daws ...
 
What 's bothering me the most is that i feel like with X1 when they tried the same kind of stuff in a diffrent way with expanded and all the modules to get incomes during the product life , to see em included in X2 !
 
I hope that this model , if effecient will be "transparent" (give us more visibity and projection in a reproductible pattern ) ....  and also that they  really dev in the touch screen area witch was a big plus for me but seems like uncomplete  and underestimated ...
 
I see improvement possible in the track manager area , still in the console layout , color customisation , video area , analysis tools at a high level of quality and also a more stable plugin package (i basically never use 3rd party plugins since they love from; a relase to another to drop it ..)

...wicked
 
 
This. 8.5 was a monster upgrade
 

How things change! When 8.5 first dropped, people on this forum were infuriated that CW was charging for a point upgrade. And no rehashing of all the new features calmed the furor.

I wasn't one of them! That release was crazy feature packed and could've been called v9.
 
I'll say, when I fired up the Command Center today there was already an update for Platinum.
 

tbh... for a computer musician, i can't think of a better way to spend $99 a year (Sonar Professional), very reasonable. Concerning the new REmatrix plugin, the Sony hardware equivalent back in 1998 was $7500, dig me? We are in such a powerful and fortunate position these days, it's quite incredible, and the thing is if you get disgruntled for whatever reason, there's another DAW company just around the corner happy to offer you basically the same thing that may be more to your liking. Anyone remember the Roland VS880 hardware digital recorder? It was $4000 here, and yet what did it offer, sweet nothing.