Anderton
but maybe we could unlock this as a feature if we sign a pledge promising to use this power only for good.

Ha! 

Anderton

Kylotan
This is why I really wish that Sonar would implement a fader and FX bin on track folders, or simply make track folders into buses. That would meet a lot of the desires that people have for buses.

While this doens't solve the problem, I use Take Lanes to do this when I want to apply an effect with a fader to a lot of tracks. Of course the big limitation is that the tracks have the limitations of take lanes, but if all the parts are the same (e.g., massive stacked vocals for choirs), it can work.

Yeah, unfortunately 95% of what I work with is either synth output or audio I need to heavily process with VSTs first. Doing that on a clip by clip basis is impractical so it has to be 1 track per instrument, which then means bussing everything. Ah well.

Cool work around and thanks for sharing it Ludwig! I would like to have the flexibility to send a track to a buss or another track. If the bakers could get this done in a future update it would be brilliant. I like the way the buss section is separated from the track section but I wouldn't be against some flexibility there too. my $.02
 
Rocky

Anderton
 I always end up going external and using physical patching.

Can't escape going outside SONAR but VoiceMeeter still keeps everything ITB. Just installed and tested it.

dcumpian
In addition to whether the plugin acting as a summing amp affects the sound, I wonder what happens if you try to "Freeze" the submixed track?
 
Regards,
Dan

 
Technically the plugin itself isn't doing anything. Sidechaining in SONAR internally uses a bus associated with each sidechain input. Its this bus that does the summing so that aspect is identical to the use of a regular SONAR bus - it handles single/double processing mixing etc.
Freezing the track will NOT include the sidechain input here since freeze wasn't designed for that.
 
There really isn't anything very much functionally different about having tracks send to other tracks compared to sending to buses. Its there in PT and people use it because its there and convenient. I'm not opposed to us having that functionality but there have been bigger fish to fry so far :)

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

dcumpian
In addition to whether the plugin acting as a summing amp affects the sound, I wonder what happens if you try to "Freeze" the submixed track?
 
Regards,
Dan

 
Technically the plugin itself isn't doing anything. Sidechaining in SONAR internally uses a bus associated with each sidechain input. Its this bus that does the summing so that aspect is identical to the use of a regular SONAR bus - it handles single/double processing mixing etc.
Freezing the track will NOT include the sidechain input here since freeze wasn't designed for that.
 
There really isn't anything very much functionally different about having tracks send to other tracks compared to sending to buses. Its there in PT and people use it because its there and convenient. I'm not opposed to us having that functionality but there have been bigger fish to fry so far :)

What the to ability to rout a send to another track does for a lot of PT users is open up a means to parallel process a track and blend it back into the mix and have the track in a convenient spot. I usually send to an Aux which can be side by side the source track but routing to a regular audio track allows you to record the result to that track which substitutes for a freeze in PT.

It might seem like a non-item to someone who hasn't had it available but when you get used to having it, it's like having your hands tied some times.

DDMF have a Virtual Audio Stream program that lets you merge audio streams as well as host VST plugins. http://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=8

Can't you do what the op was talking about by just bouncing the group of tracks as a submix to a new track? You can also bounce any sub to a track .
 I ask this in the spirit of learning,not to make light of your discovery. That is exactly how new things are created..
 

I have to agree with you on this one, Ludwig.  Although this has been offered (side-chaining) in another context, it is certainly useful and even more versatile than using a bus for a submix.  I've asked long ago if there were any "innovative" ideas on submixes, but the question went unanswered.  Thanks for the perspective, Ludwig.
 
Kind regards,
 
Living Room  Rocker

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There really isn't anything very much functionally different about having tracks send to other tracks compared to sending to buses. Its there in PT and people use it because its there and convenient. I'm not opposed to us having that functionality but there have been bigger fish to fry so far :)

Uuuuuugh!  Noel, can you please make this happen for MIDI tracks and give them a real audio track in an upcoming SONAR update?  That would be pretty cool too!
 
Kind regards,
 
Living Room Rocker