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  • Does Mix Recall not record changes to audio tracks and data? (p.6)
2015/01/20 00:15:29
johnnyV
Seth  Kellogg Say's regarding mix recall to be shared between projects: 
"Right now it's per-project, but that feature is not too outrageous to hope for. . . *cough*" 
 
Awesome!  I hope they get my Cactus Music account working by Wednesday.  
Thanks Steve, so far It's been though reading all these darn threads and misleading info abounds. 
 
 
 
2015/01/20 00:24:28
scook
I hope so too.
Did you read the next few posts past Seth's?
2015/01/20 00:44:19
southpaw3473
Sanderxpander
Select all, "Tracks" menu (arrange view), "bounce to track(s)"?


Not too sure what that means. What is "arrange view?"
2015/01/20 00:51:01
mudgel
Track View.
 
With track templates however you have a start point not something you can paste over existing data. But if you want to save edits of the data as well as snapshots of all settings you can save as Track templates because that indeed does save ALL the info.
2015/01/20 00:51:25
Vastman
Mixing:  taking ALL THE DATA and....get ready for it.... MIXING IT!!!!          
Not changing it, editing it, duplicating it, adding to it, rerouting it.... all of which result in a different song...
 
Mixing:  tweaking how it (THE DATA) sounds... eq, fades, prochannel settings, levels, etc... such things will RADICALLY change how your song sounds... and being able to rapidly flip between various mixes is amazing...
 
I think the mistake or disfunctional understanding is that many musicians these days just tweak away randomly, mixing, adding some data, subtracting, etc... and thus the concept of mixing THE DATA has become cloudy...
 
When Spitfire Audio introduced HansZimmer Drums one of the features everyone was excited about is that they had several famous "studio mixing professionals" at different locations.... wait for it.... MIX
the audio they'd captured of the mega drum sessions...  no one modified the actual data set (in our case, the song) but the results were totally different because of the unique mixing bent of the varous people...Sonar now lets us do this without saving versions of a song... which is fantastic.
 
 
Being able to export mixing packages to changed versions of a song would  be great though...or maybe this is possible (been busy) although I can see some issues... mix templates????  It does get confusing keeping possibilities straight!
 
 
2015/01/20 01:02:52
Anderton
Sanderxpander
Select all, "Tracks" menu (arrange view), "bounce to track(s)"?



Exactly. It's described in a Friday's Tip of the WeekAnd don't forget about snapshot automation.
 
You don't have to read Friday's Tip of the Week to get the most out of SONAR, but it helps 
2015/01/20 05:14:25
FastBikerBoy
P-Theory
FastBikerBoy
Don't forget there is also the "Save copy as" in the file menu for easy snapshotting of the whole project.


Aware of that Karl but thats not really any different then doing a "save as" and renaming the mix, it still has to reload the project, skin (as in prochannel and buses etc) and the audio data from scratch.  What I thought they had implemented was some sort of replication model where it tracked changes to the skin / interface and only loaded the bits that had changed with the audio data




I appreciate that's not really an "on the fly" alternative but for creating "milestones" that's another one of those "little" features that is going to save time for me.
 
I always save major milestones of projects so I can get back to a point... such as "Tracking finished", "Comping Finished", "Edit done" etc etc.
 
Previously I had to "save as" name it, then resave it immediately again over top of the original "current" version. Now I can just "Save copy as" name it and carry on working. Great feature, one of the not so sexy ones though.
2015/01/20 05:26:44
P-Theory
Oh its definitely a cool feature and I've used it a lot already as my workflow is basically the same as you've described.  I think the only bit that would make this Mix recall perfect for me would be if it recognised and restored buses and associated routing as well because they are nothing to do with the core data / wav files and are just a routing mechanism.
2015/01/20 05:29:19
P-Theory
Vastman
Mixing:  taking ALL THE DATA and....get ready for it.... MIXING IT!!!!          
Not changing it, editing it, duplicating it, adding to it, rerouting it.... all of which result in a different song...
 
Mixing:  tweaking how it (THE DATA) sounds... eq, fades, prochannel settings, levels, etc... such things will RADICALLY change how your song sounds... and being able to rapidly flip between various mixes is amazing...
 
I think the mistake or disfunctional understanding is that many musicians these days just tweak away randomly, mixing, adding some data, subtracting, etc... and thus the concept of mixing THE DATA has become cloudy...
 
When Spitfire Audio introduced HansZimmer Drums one of the features everyone was excited about is that they had several famous "studio mixing professionals" at different locations.... wait for it.... MIX
the audio they'd captured of the mega drum sessions...  no one modified the actual data set (in our case, the song) but the results were totally different because of the unique mixing bent of the varous people...Sonar now lets us do this without saving versions of a song... which is fantastic.
 
 
Being able to export mixing packages to changed versions of a song would  be great though...or maybe this is possible (been busy) although I can see some issues... mix templates????  It does get confusing keeping possibilities straight!
 
 


 Thanks for shouting but buses don't affect the core DATA that was recorded and are simply a routing mechanism that allows you to change the MIX
 
How on earth does routing tracks to bus structure make a recording a different song as you described?
2015/01/20 05:30:17
mudgel
Did you follow through on setting up track Teplates because they will setup tracks with routing sends or buses whatever including plugins and settings.

A great place to start or if your judicious in setting them up you can a whole variety of them setup to insert into a project.
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