• SONAR
  • Staff View Bugs (p.6)
2015/01/19 18:10:11
microapp
Dub,
Yes I saw that post. It has some good points.
 
Alex,
Not sure any core code was patched. AFAIK only wrapper type UI stuff was changed.
2015/01/19 18:12:46
Anderton
Just a quick comment about VocalSync. When I was testing it, I filed numerous complaints about how much it sucked and that Cakewalk should not release it because it wasn't ready for prime time. That's because I kept thinking that if I turned it up all the way, the sync would be tighter and if I turned it down all the way, it would be looser. Logical, right?
 
Well, I found out that the "sweet spot" depends entirely on what you're trying to sync. The tightest sync might be fully counterclockwise or clockwise or somewhere in the middle. It's a combination of moving and stretching that also must be rendered (like AudioSnap) to go out of preview mode and have decent audio. Also results depend on the clip length. It's not intuitive, but once you realize that, at least there's only one control to be non-intuitive  
2015/01/19 18:13:15
Anderton
microapp
Dub,
Yes I saw that post. It has some good points.
 
Alex,
Not sure any core code was patched. AFAIK only wrapper type UI stuff was changed.




I think he's referring to the MusicXML Export?
2015/01/19 18:18:58
Splat
2015/01/19 18:29:31
microapp
Looks like Finale/Sibelius needs this free plugin for musicXML.
http://www.musicxml.com/dolet-plugin/dolet-6-plugin-for-finale/
I have not seen that anyone has tried this with Sonar 2015.
If this works it would certainly satisfy my requirements for notation.
I will try it with Finale 2012 when Sonar 2015 is released (Wed. hopefully).
2015/01/19 18:36:52
microapp
Alex,
Thanks for the memory jog. I remember that list.
Not sure these fixes would have to be in the core code (proprietary part) though.
All three seem to be entry/display fixes...who knows.
We will never know anything about this for sure until Cake confirms it.
I am just hopeful about the musicXML route.
2015/01/19 18:48:45
microapp
Anderton
 
I have no idea, except I do know the plug-in you're thinking about is the VC-64, and no one knows what happened to the author. If he for sure had passed away, at least there could be negotiations with his estate.
 
I don't know about the staff view code, but the reality is there are Windows DAWs that do notation well. For example Avid bought Sibelius so they basically had a turnkey notation system. Cubase has always emphasized staff view and with Yamaha having a strong presence in the educational market, I would be willing to bet it will never be de-emphasized. So, there would be two reasons to beef up staff view: Lure away Cubase and Pro Tools users, which means the staff view would have to be equal to or better than what they offer if it's that important to the user. The other would be because it was very important to Cakewalk's user base, which so far has not proven to be the case.
 
I think the most likely scenario (and in the immortal words of Herman Cain, "I don't have facts to back me up") is that Cakewalk can chip away at any bugs in staff view to bring it up to the level where it's functional for the majority of users. I think there's more concern among users about having a decent, working staff view than "the staff view to end all staff views." Those who want engraving quality notation can use something like Finale. (Cakewalk added MusicXML export specifically so that even if people didn't compose with staff view, they could bring the files into notation programs.)

Craig,
My friend and fellow X3 user was a music for film teacher at the local Art Institute for years. We talk a lot about why ProTools is the industry standard DAW. His opinion is that students are introduced to ProTools in school.  I am sure that from an institutional perspective, Avid's massive support structure has something to do with it as well as MAC support but this is something I think Cake should take very seriously.
I agree with your point about printed scores. This I think is important for very few Sonar users.
 
2015/01/19 18:50:13
bapu
microapp
I agree with your point about printed scores. This I think is important for very few Sonar users.

~35 by my (semi) Scientific Study 
2015/01/19 20:03:13
mudgel
There's a recent thread with notation in the title and in post #11, Bill Jackson gives the final word on the current Notation situation. Like it or lump it that's the reality.
2015/01/19 20:07:04
Splat
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3151842
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