digitaleagle
I like to do midi editing in staff view and would also like to see it improved. X3 will likely be my last upgrade unless they invest in the Staff View.  Cubase and Protools both have decent Staff Views which Cakewalk has made no investment in.   I'm not looking for Finale like capabilities, just basic built in capailities in Sonar that work.  
 
Looks like my only option is to move to another DAW.   
 

 I find it surprising that Pro Tools actually has a decent staff view.  As for Sonar and Finale, I usually import a small midi clip into Sonar before Finale. Finale wants to turn it into a rocket science. 

Anderton

swamptooth
I don't know who else caugt it from Anderton a few posts back, but I really hope your wife is ok Craig. Best to both of you...

Thanks. She's probably going to be all right, but not without some effort.

Keep strong Craig. Last year my gf had a minor stroke... This year she's waiting for test results for possible ovarian cancer. Things like this make everyday life much more difficult to maintain. I wish I could be of more support but quite honestly it is overwhelming and scary. All we can do is make the best of each moment. I applaud your engagement here when you're dealing with something that sounds very intense. It is a difficult balancing act.

mudgel
There's a recent thread with notation in the title and in post #11, Bill Jackson gives the final word on the current Notation situation. Like it or lump it that's the reality.

That was not the spirit of Bill Jackson's posts.
 
The two takeaways for me:
 
1)  Potential SV improvements are more realistic now more than ever before - thanks for being patient
 - HOWEVER -
2) No current SV development in progress at this moment
 
A publishing tool inside Sonar is too much.  If snap and the handling of triplets were addressed, that would be enough for me.  
 
 

I just did some googling about musicXML and Sonar. Sonar supported exporting (poorly) musicXML since way back. Does this mean Sonar 2015 still does not import musicXML? I cannot find an answer. Lovely.
Even though my original search did not include the term Staff View but instead musicXML, I found page after page of people requesting Staff View fixes in the forum.
So if anyone does not think this matters to Sonar users try either of these searches in google.
musicXML site:forum.cakewalk.com
"staff view" site:forum.cakewalk.com
Some of the hits go back to 2006 maybe earlier.

The new SONAR help file http://www.cakewalk.com/D...tation.41.html#1238616

Thanks Scook,
No musicXML import. I'm bummed.
You know this just calling Sonar 2015 plain Sonar will make searching difficult.

microapp
Kamikaze,
It appears you are in a musical academia environment. I doubt that even if Cake fixed SV to the satisfaction of most Sonar users, this would be enough for you. Most of us here do not care about printed scores. I think we mostly want note and chord entry/display fixed along with odd meters and perhaps recognition of articulations. I think proper (reasonable) import of notation from other programs would be on that list as well. (MusicXML may be the answer to this but this remains to be seen).
If I were you I would check out Finale, Notion or Sibelius. I think they might even have a student discount. 
Any of these programs I think would suit your requirements better than SV as far as notational composition goes. Finale certainly has enough synthesis capability for composition although nowhere near the production capabilities  of Sonar.
IMHO, you will never compose a full orchestra piece or even a complex Jazz piece, print and distribute it to the musicians to play using SV even after it is bug-free.  Look at it this way... SV is intended to be the Notepad and not the MS word of the notation world. 

Sorry missed you post before. No I am a 40 year old living in Vietnam teacher youngsters to speak English. I am self taught to play the flute and sax and now Guitar.
 
The printing of music isn't a real priority for me, as I can always fudge it with screen print and MS Paint, but I can see the sense in printing being and Professional/Platinum function, to allow session musicians be the professionals or someone that learnt to play an instrument through a school orchestra or something.
If printing was implemented, then it would be something basic. I'm not expecting Cake to take on Sibelius, I would just like to print out those sketches of ideas for other musicians. Even If it just created an image file, this would allow you to paste to other programmes to print.
 

pbognar
That was not the spirit of Bill Jackson's posts.
The two takeaways for me:
1)  Potential SV improvements are more realistic now more than ever before - thanks for being patient
 - HOWEVER -
2) No current SV development in progress at this moment
 
A publishing tool inside Sonar is too much.  If snap and the handling of triplets were addressed, that would be enough for me.  

Agreed!

After 20 years working in software development and knowing how to parse corporate speak... No comment.
 
I've used Cakewalk since the 90's, it has a good set of features and capabilities. However, the primary reason
I have stuck with Sonar all these years is being able to compose using a staff instead of having to use a piano roll. I even know how to work around some of the most annoying bugs and use them to my advantage, occasionally. PT has a notation editor but PT doesn't support VST so I haven't used it much.
 
Sonar has a few nice features that differentiate it from other DAWs but I can't think of much besides the staff view that I can't do without. The included plugins and synths are ok but the 3rdParty stuff I have sounds so much better. The only Cakewalk plugin I use regularly is the concrete limiter on the main bus and I never touch it unless I'm previewing a really loud patch. I used to use Z3TA+2 a lot, but not so much these days, it's getting to be a bit long in the tooth (I think the last update was in 2011). Lately, with the rapid churn of 3rdParty plugins like SI, SD, and V-Vocal to who knows what next week, AD, and Melodyne, it's hard to create a project that won't break with the next release if you uninstall the previous version. Maybe Gibson will fix that, maybe not.
 
I pre-ordered the new version of Sonar as soon as I possibly could, I want to try out the new mix recall stuff. I also ordered a copy of Cubase this weekend, primarily because the notation editor looks really good. I'm going to give both a shot over the next week or two.
Who knows, maybe I'll stick with Cakewalk, maybe I won't.
 
If I go away, it's not going to matter much anyway in the grand scheme of things, I'm a PITA here so I'm sure Cakewalk won't mind. I'll just be pissing off another forum. I just don't see much coming that makes my workflow any better.
 
 
 

Kamikaze
It may not be a selling point to new users, but it could be a keeping point for old ones.

I think it can be more of selling point than is obvious.  A lot of musicians looking for a DAW may be interested in working in a staff view, but if Sonar doesn't have a good one, they'll just buy something else and we'll never hear from them.  As far as Cakewalk is concerned, these musicians don't exist.  Meanwhile competitors are making the sales.
 
As for schools, maybe they would use Sonar more if it had a proper staff view and Cakewalk gave a few copies away.
 

Paul P

Kamikaze
It may not be a selling point to new users, but it could be a keeping point for old ones.

I think it can be more of selling point than is obvious.  A lot of musicians looking for a DAW may be interested in working in a staff view, but if Sonar doesn't have a good one, they'll just buy something else and we'll never hear from them.  As far as Cakewalk is concerned, these musicians don't exist.  Meanwhile competitors are making the sales.
 
As for schools, maybe they would use Sonar more if it had a proper staff view and Cakewalk gave a few copies away.
 

Sonar "Artist" for $99 (or less discounted) would be an awesome deal for students, and if it had a better staff view it would be a killer learning app for music classes.