mgh
i suspect the official CW position is that Sonar is used so little in Europe it's not worth worrying about.

LOL you could be right and maybe it is one of the reasons why. 

scook
Unless you paid the full retail price for each version, you still only have one license which was upgraded each time to the new version. If you gave away or sold the disks, there is no way the recipient can acquire a legitimate license to use the product unless you are willing to give them your license too.

We are talking about selling the license as in can you sell/transer a Cakewalk Sonar license? You can with all  the other DAWS mentioned.

It would be best to contact Cakewalk Customer service, here is the contact information http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2090582

slartabartfast
On the other hand, the surprise, angst and confusion created among current users provides an unprecedented opportunity for poaching by the other guys.

 
I don't think so. Most people who've read the FAQ or know Cakewalk's history get it, and if you read the early reports from Platinum users, it's looking pretty good overall. Also, multiple posts from one user under different aliases does not count as multiple people. There really aren't that many actual, unique individuals who don't see at least the potential of the model.
 
What's in the current update is pretty powerful. Yet there will also be more features coming down the pike. So if upgraders like what they see now, they have nothing to lose. If they're on the fence, it's highly likely enough stuff will show up over the next year that they'll be happy, and hopefully, will be happy enough to renew. If not, then they can carry on merrily with what they have.
 
For someone buying a DAW for the first time, the value of SONAR in general in undeniable. Add in a year's worth of updates and content, and that's a tough proposition to beat.
 
It's really quite simple and compelling, unless someone feels this is a bad-faith, greedy attempt to pull the wool over users' eyes, and extract as much money as possible while giving as little as possible in return. If they truly believe that, then of course they believe that what Cakewalk is doing is horrible.
 

Gerry

scook
Unless you paid the full retail price for each version, you still only have one license which was upgraded each time to the new version. If you gave away or sold the disks, there is no way the recipient can acquire a legitimate license to use the product unless you are willing to give them your license too.

We are talking about selling the license as in can you sell/transer a Cakewalk Sonar license? You can with all  the other DAWS mentioned.

Some foreign jurisdictions do not recognize the non-transfer clause in a software license, deciding that if it looks like a sale it is a sale, and that ownership includes the right to sell or give away what you bought. This principle, known as the "first sale doctrine" in US law applies to the purchase of a book, CD etc., but has been successfully attacked when the product sold is characterized as a license, so such transfers do not fly in the US.
 
At the same time, there is probably no obligation in any jurisdiction that would compel Cakewalk to offer an upgrade price to someone who bought a license from someone else, in Germany for example. And as Scook notes above, the upgrade license may be characterized as an extension of the original license. In that case, a sale of your license might make not only you, but your buyer unable to get an upgrade.
 
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01854.htm
 

Wow, I read that and my head didn't explode! Good explanation. Thanks.

Thanks for the informative replies but I think you will all agree to my initial statement as being the simple fact.
 
"With the other Daws you mentioned you can transfer your license (Sell it) which is not the case with Sonar. Not meant as a crit just a statement of fact. Possibly why comparisons are sometimes odious."
 
I am in no doubt at all that Sonar is mega value for the money and that is not in dispute for my part but it is completely different from the other main players who allow you to sell on a purchased license. Am I right in saying that the new set up means that with Sonar you never ever own the license in the first place so the the question of selling it is completely removed from the equation? Now I hope that question gets a simple yes or no.
 

Drone7
Lets give kudos here to Cakewalk, they are at the very least, competitive, and i'm thankful for that.

The Platinum version contains 3 AD2 kits which are worth the whole upgrade price. It is a great deal.

Gerry
 Am I right in saying that the new set up means that with Sonar you never ever own the license

No. Once you pay for the product, you get the same perpetual license as before.

I didn't know this situation about Cakewalk software. Can't resell it, is that true?
 
I've sold other DAWs with a clear conscience, by default of unwritten universal law we have a right to sell 'anything' we own, and that includes a software license. If this is indeed Cakewalk's policy, i'm quite disappointed; why does Cakewalk have this policy? 
 
And anyway, if someone was really intent on selling their copy of Sonar, what is to stop them from simply giving the account details to the buyer so that they can then simply go in and change the name and email details to their own and everything is sweet. Cakewalk would never know that the original buyer had sold it, would they?