Drone7
I didn't know this situation about Cakewalk software. Can't resell it, is that true?
 
I've sold other DAWs with a clear conscience, by default of unwritten universal law we have a right to sell 'anything' we own, and that includes a software license. If this is indeed Cakewalk's policy, i'm quite disappointed; why does Cakewalk have this policy? 
 
And anyway, if someone was really intent on selling their copy of Sonar, what is to stop them from simply giving the account details to the buyer so that they can then simply go in and change the name and email details to their own and everything is sweet. Cakewalk would never know that the original buyer had sold it, would they?
 
 

One of the advantages of a copy protection scheme is that it provides another way of enforcing a policy that does not require access to legal interpretation or enforcement.
 
So it is fine to say that a buyer has the right to copy a song from his own CD to his own computer and then to his own MP3 player for his own use. That would seem to be well within the meaning of US copyright law:
Title 17 USC § 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
"No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings."
 
But nothing prevents the vendor from using an encryption or activation scheme to prevent such copying, and there are also provisions that make it a criminal offense to provide or communicate any mechanism that will defeat such a scheme. 
 
In the case above, without fraudulently misidentifying yourself as the owner of the account entitled to activation, you could not get your new installation activated. That would almost certainly constitute civil or criminal fraud, just as if you falsely identified yourself as the owner of a bank account.

Other than for taking advantage of upgrades and patches, there was actually no reason to register your name with Cakewalk in the past. This is the beauty of the new model from their prospective. Everybody will be registered properly now. 
 I normally ignore offers to register any software. Some of my older versions were registered but I would immediately forget and loose my account info. I had no idea there might be good reasons to register. One must understand, if you don't belong to this forum you will not have a clue about any of this stuff. 
 
Because we don't have a music store here, we tend to buy stuff off each other a lot. 
Over time I have always obtained my copies from other local musicians who would sell the software the same as we sell old Effects pedals we don't like or use. I had no clue this was illegal and I doubt they did either. It was just another item you bought new and no longer needed. At least I was buying boxed versions and not downloading cracks. 
 
 

scook

Gerry
 Am I right in saying that the new set up means that with Sonar you never ever own the license

No. Once you pay for the product, you get the same perpetual license as before.

Surely if you own something you should be able to sell it?
 
Perhaps a point in case would help. A first time user of Sonar buys the boxed version of Platinum and pays the yearly sum up front. After three months decides that for whatever reason it is not suitable for their workflow etc. Can they sell their boxed version and also the remaining nine months updates? Does Cakewalk have a way of facilitating the transfer of the license and remaing updates to a new owner?
 
If the answer is no then that is the difference between Sonar and the other daws mentioned in the first comparisons that were made. Not a deal breaker but a difference that should be acknowledged. 
 
 

As it stands with the current EULA that is indeed the case.

It is a non expiring licence for the exclusive use of the licensee and not transferable. You may install it on more than one machine but can only use one installation at any one time.

I don't like the idea that it's not transferable but I've never before wanted to sell any software. I would have to hand over all my discs etc since Sonar Producer 3 as that has been the only full version I've ever bought in the Sonar line. The others that followed have always been upgrades. So I only have one licence.

mudgel
As it stands with the current EULA that is indeed the case.

It is a non expiring licence for the exclusive use of the licensee and not transferable. You may install it on more than one machine but can only use one installation at any one time.

I don't like the idea that it's not transferable but I've never before wanted to sell any software. I would have to hand over all my discs etc since Sonar Producer 3 as that has been the only full version I've ever bought in the Sonar line. The others that followed have always been upgrades. So I only have one licence.

 
Thank you for that and as I said not a deal breaker. I am in a similar boat as you although I stayed at Producer 7 and moved to Cubase which I stayed at 5. A plus for Sonar is that the upgrade pricing is much more reasonable than Cubase as upgrading from Cubase 5 to 8 is mega bucks but you can sell it. Any Producer to Platinum is one heck of a tempting deal but you can't sell it. As  said not a deal breaker but certainly a consideration.

You never know, now that Cakewalk have been really bolstering their backend so to speak, perhaps the idea of transferring licences may be up for discussion. I can see the administrative nightmare but with all the changes who knows, the day may well come.

FWIW... in some post in some thread, someone from CW did mention the *possibility* of license transfers in the future.   I don't recall that ever being mentioned as a possibility before. 

CadErik

Drone7
Lets give kudos here to Cakewalk, they are at the very least, competitive, and i'm thankful for that.

The Platinum version contains 3 AD2 kits which are worth the whole upgrade price. It is a great deal.

I keep saying that. Buy your Addictive Drums Producer Bundle and get a free 1 year ticket to the show. All the details will be made clear. No matter how "Doom and Gloom", angry, cynical or constipated you are, buy the drums, get a front row seat.

This policy seems a bit pedantic and draconian IMO. If you bought a $100,000 Mercedes Benz but then the company said you couldn't sell it when your done with it, wouldn't that be a bit silly?
On principle alone that's a deal-breaker to me. Such a scenario certainly makes Studio One look more attractive. $147 cheaper, and i can sell it when and if i wish. And ver III of Studio One is just around the corner. Here's the EULA at the Presonus website... "Provided you do not retain copies of the Licensed Software, you are permitted to permanently transfer your license to another party to use the Licensed Software". Any latest comments from Cakewalk about this would certainly be appreciated; any change-of-mind being considered at the moment Cakewalk?

oops, double-post