And I still say the premise is demeaning. I can understand a language thing where you use "talent" as a noun to describe individuals but that falls flat as soon as you started questioning the Baker's programming skills because you read that two of them were musicians. Honestly I prefer my DAW programmers to know how to play music... because otherwise how the frack are they supposed to know what to program for me?

Anderton
 Also, bugs aren't universal. You could test a feature on 99 systems and it would work fine, but on the 100th, it wouldn't. 

Case in point.
 
X3 seems to not work (well) for vlad but does for me.
 
Is that SONAR's fault? Maybe and maybe not. 
 
We can never know all the variables (including pilot error or obliviousness) unles we laid both systems side by side and perform the absolute EXACT steps. And then, is it vlad's XP system that was worse than the i7 system (oh wait vlad already said that the new system crashes less, a telling hint) or was it SONAR?

bapu

Anderton
 Also, bugs aren't universal. You could test a feature on 99 systems and it would work fine, but on the 100th, it wouldn't. 

Case in point.
 
X3 seems to not work (well) for vlad but does for me.
 
Is that SONAR's fault? Maybe and maybe not. 
 
We can never know all the variables (including pilot error or obliviousness) unles we laid both systems side by side and perform the absolute EXACT steps. And then, is it vlad's XP system that was worse than the i7 system (oh wait vlad already said that the new system crashes less, a telling hint) or was it SONAR?

Based on past experience with Vlad they expect to be able to just plug everything in and go. It sounds like she does indeed work very hard at what she does but she needs a tech to deal with the logistics because she does not have the patience to deal with all the fiddle faddle. Personally I could use one myself as I'm sure could we all but I know that ain't gonna happen until I can pay for it so... here I am...
 
rock you like a hurricane....
 
beepster... making the same lame Scorpions joke as often as need be for your forum browsing enjoyment...

I cannot understand why people are looking at the subscription part of this sale as an evil entity. The way I see it is when we bought X3 we paid about the same amount. $149.00 and got a few good third party plugins. I'm not sure, maybe 30 or so. Now Cakewalk comes out with a Platinum upgrade along with professional etc for $149 dollars and gives you a 12 month membership included in the price. After the 12 (free) month membership , the Sonar software plus everything you got extra is yours to keep. The monthly payments are for those like you who doubt if cakewalk can deliver as promised and don´t want to pay the full price early on. It is also for people that do not have the money to pay $149 all at once. This to me is a very friendly gesture from cakewalk.
All this complaining about membership has gone way out of context. 
12 months free and a Sonar DAW that will probably go far beyond 80 percent of the daws out there right now that is yours to keep for a grand total of $149,00. There is no other company that would ever do this for their customers.
Dont forget that the FX inserts have been greatly expanded along with the send effects. The fx were 5 places and the sends were only 2 places. This daw has the funcionality that is going to boggle your imagination.
After all this you still make a problem because of the free 12 month subscription.
 My advice: If you don't like the 12 month freebee DONT BUY THE UPGRADE!

vladasyn
That is my exact point. I like it to be tested and fixed before they sale it, not after.

We all would but it is not a reasonable expectation with the current state of software complexity. Most testing and fixing will already have taken place but it is never perfect. btw I would like a hover car and it's a pity I can't have one.
 
For instance Microsoft fixes its OS every month via windows update, plugging bugs identified by third parties or their customers. You are still running an os riddled with bugs. Consequently many businesses wait at least 12 months for a new OS to be stable and mature enough for their needs, they will certainly eval before they buy, and this is all perfectly valid. So enter the subscription model at your convenience, and upgrade to later versions during the subscription at your convenience.
 

BTW if Sonar X3E s crashing every 5 sessions then it's almost certainly your environment. Drivers, firmware, BIOS, chip set drivers (ie Intel Auto update) is the first port of call. Dodgy plugins as well (update them!). If you have more detailed info for us please start a new thread. 

CakeAlex, it is very common to blame software issues on Chipset and drivers. I only install Windows 8.1 compatible drivers. I have latest chipset that was available from Asus for my motherboard, all drivers for Windows 8.1. This is dedicated music computer- I do not have any other software on it, nothing to conflict. It does not go search/download software from internet, it regularly scanned for Viruses. It stays off most of days and only used for Sonar. I have about 300 plugins count, but VST plugin is nothing but .dll file in the file folder. Unless it open, it does nothing to anything. If I was recording guitars and vocal, Sonar would be stable. It crashes with Software synths. It is less dramatic than it used to be in the past, but I can still make it crash on demand if I try very hard. Especially if somebody important is in the studio, lol.
 
Beepster, topic "Where are Cakewalk talents" does not imply that there are no talents. It implies that we can not see them. I said- it will be helpful if I came to the web site and was able to see who makes the software- that way I would know what to expect in the future. Software developers should be advertised just like musicians. If you are a record label who wants to have subscription music service, and you just signed new hot Electronic music producer, would you put his/her profile on the front page with the history and samples of his/her work, or would you say, "Great music is coming up, go ahead, sign up for a year of service- we will have music soon, we promise." I know Yamaha has Peter Krishetskiy from Easy sound making sounds for their hardware and software. Love this guy's wokr. If Cakewalk said, "We just signed contract with Krishetsky to create presents for our upcoming releases", I would be jumping on my chair and signing my subscription contract. If there are new interesting talents, why not introduce them and show what they can do? It can not harm.

[DO NOT PLUG IN OR TURN ON YOUR MIDI DEVICES WHILE SONAR IS RUNNING!!!
 
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If I need to use a MIDI device that is not currently connected and turned on I turn off Sonar (and save beforehand if need be) THEN turn on/connect my controllers and THEN turn on Sonar. I know you have a cmplex studio and you do not want to do that but seriously it takes maybe 5-10 seconds to save what you are doing, close Sonar, turn on whatever it is you want to use and THEN reopen Sonar.
 
Unplugging and replugging USB device is THE ONLY was to make Sonar to see it. When I open Sonar, some time it sees it, some time it does not. Some time, if I have to close perfectly working Sonar instance and reopen it, it opens without MIDI controller detected. I HAVE TO unplug controller and connect it again while Sonar is open. All my devices always connected except the Maschine- that one has to be unplugged for computer to even start, but that is all another story. My studio is not that advanced. It has Yamaha Motif USB connected and it always sees it, Presonus Fire Wire mixer and Novation LaunchPad MIDI- it is small desk controller- 25 keys- I never know if it will be detected or not. As I said- Novation sent me replacement USB cord. And, yes, I use it on the same port, and I also tried it on other ports.  

I can't PM you on my current post count, but can you see my previous post about adding to my feature request, Valdasyn, even if it's to just copy and paste what you posted before into it.

Its very common to blame problems on drivers because its very common that they are the problem. True story.