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  • DISASTER [SOLVED]! Please help me find and restore my LOST audio clips. X3e
2015/01/17 12:15:03
Beepster
Got it figured out with a little help from my friends. Thanks, dudes!!!
 
OP:
 
I'm an idiot idiot idiot IDIOT!!!!
 
So for the past week I've been adding to a project I had left alone for months. My intent was to simply do some housekeeping on the project. That turned into me experimenting with some outboard gear then it turned into me laying down some ultra tight rhythm guit takes (far superior than what I had originally). For some absolutely ridiculous reason I kept it in my head that this project (which I had originally Saved As as "Clean Up") was just for housekeeping and kept saving into the SAME Save As version instead of doing my usual Save As after every step. I do not know what the hell I was thinking and now it has come to bite me in the arse because now I seem to have had a catastrophic X3 crash.
 
So before explaining what happened I'm just going to ask what I need to do (BTW I am waiting for tech support to open so I can give them a call as well to see if they can help me restore the project).
 
All of those awesome new guitar tracks are GONE from the project except for a couple clips at the start of the project. Everything else in the project except the two tracks I was editing seems to still be intact. I am hoping that all the original waves are somewhere stored on my computer so I'd like to...
 
a) Find them
b) Hopefully restore them in the project or
c) Go through the process of dragging them into the previous save as of the project and redoing all the editing and crap I've done since that save as (which will be a pain but I just want my tracks back).
 
I've never done anything like this so I could REALLY use some advice while I wait for support to open.
 
Also after the crash the Crash Reporter thing popped up but this system is offline so I saved it. I'd like to know where I can find that file so I can send it to support.
 
I'll post the details of what happened in the next post but if there is a quick way for me to start poking around my system for these tracks and some success stories of salvaging total screwups like this I am ALL ears.
 
Sorry guys... this has got to be one of the stupidest things I've done for a LOOOONG time with Sonar.
 
Help me Cakester Wan's... you're my only hope!
 
:-/
2015/01/17 12:26:58
clintmartin
I had this happen once and I found all of my .wav files in the .cwp audio folder. Good luck.
2015/01/17 12:28:12
bapu
Sounds like you've somehow deleted something from the "audio" folder of the project. Check the recycle bin?
2015/01/17 12:48:59
Beepster
System
X3e 64
Win 7 64
i7 2600k
2 x 7200 Barricuda drives (this project was being run from and recorded into ONLY the C drive)
16GB Corsair Vengeance RAM
Focusrite Scarlett 18i6
Focusrite VRM Box attached and active VIA SPDIF (but bypassed via the VRM software... this is a new device on my rig)
 
What happened...
 
As I said I had returned to an old project to clean it up. After which point I was going to start working on it again. I did a little bit of cleanup/reorganizing into the new Save As "Clean Up" but then got off track and started recording into the project. I did not do anymore Save As's after that instead just saving into that project (STUPID).
 
I did a bunch of guitar takes into a new track (outboard effects). That track seems to be intact because I was not editing it. After that I realized my original guit takes could be better (dual recorded clean tracks for amp sims). I recorded a bunch of takes into the existing tracks (these are the tracks where the clips are missing).
 
After getting a bunch of really good takes and making notes for them all to prepare for comping today I created song segment markers and made my comp splits. For some reason (and I posted about this last week) this project has decided to ignore the record grouping I thought I had enabled (I probably screwed something up but I think this may be part of the problem that led to the crash). So I manually sliced everything up across the two sets of clean/sim tracks and the outboard effects track one at a time so they all matched (because the clips weren't properly grouped and it was refusing to allow me to create new groups for some screwy reason).
 
I went through the comping process and got a really nice sounding selection but it was a general comp. I wanted to tighten up the fades and splits.
 
This is where the trouble began...
 
I had about 7-10 splits in the project. I had only really had about half of those where I actually strayed from the one best track. Because my clip grouping had failed and I wanted all the changes to be represented in both tracks I selected both of the tracks so that any changes made to one would effect to other (of course this selected all the clips in both tracks). I adjusted the first split/fade no problem...
 
THEN when I moved to the second split things went all funky. I had been zoomed way in so I could not see what was happening beyond the first fade. When I zoomed out everything after the second fade was GONE and I was getting erratic screen behavior. It looked like maybe the clips just weren't rendering and that maybe they were still there (I could see little lines where I thought the splits had been but they had actually been moved to AFTER the end of the project). I closed the project and reopened it hoping it was just a glitch. No dice, same deal. So I tried to slip edit one of the slivers thinking somehow the clips had somehow slip edited themselves to slivers and BOOM.... full crash, windows reporter pops up then the Cake crash reporter thing. 
 
I saved the crash report (wherever those things get saved by default) and opened the project again to see what I could see. I zoomed WAY in to the slivers (which did seem to represent the original splits but were WAY off from where they had been originally... almost like they had all be dragged to the end of the project which was about a 2.5-3 minute project and now was 5.5-6 min project) and sure enough the crossfades were there but no audio.
 
So it retained and moved the splits/x-fades but not the acutal audio. I do not think I hit any weird key combos and I have no idea what keybinding would cause such mayhem. I can only guess that maybe it was trying to apply my x-fade edits to ALL the splits at once across both tracks (because everything was selected) then threw up on itself.
 
So yeah... likely my fault for trying to force that type of editing but I though it would be fine.
 
Anyway... I just need to find my tracks.
 
Ugh... sorry, I R dumb.
2015/01/17 12:56:17
John
Have you checked the audio folder in the project folder? Your wav files should be there. 
2015/01/17 12:56:59
Beepster
bapu
Sounds like you've somehow deleted something from the "audio" folder of the project. Check the recycle bin?




Not in the recycle bin but perhaps you can help with my next question which I'll adress to Clint...
 
clintmartin
I had this happen once and I found all of my .wav files in the .cwp audio folder. Good luck.




Hi, Clint. Thanks. I figured it would be something like that so now I need help on tracking down the specific WAVs within the folder.
 
I have the Audio folder open for this project but because of how many takes I've made in this project the list is huge.
 
What I need to know is how in the heck do I get Windows 7 to sort these by date? If I could figure that out I could easily identify them by the dates they were created. However Windows is "helpfully" treating these like my freaking Tunes library and only showing "Artist, Title, Album" and crap like that. I just need the date.
 
Honestly as much as I love Win7 there is a whole pile of dumb crap like this it does by default that really peeves me off (like hiding file extensions by default which I just learned about the other and had been driving me nuts for years).
 
Thanks so much for popping in. Cheers, bud.
2015/01/17 12:58:48
Beepster
John
Have you checked the audio folder in the project folder? Your wav files should be there. 




Yeah, I've got it open but there is so much in there and I can't figure it out based on the wav names. I need the sort by date function in the Windows Explorer window.... which I can't seem to figure out.
 
Any thoughts? Win 7 BTW.
 
Hi John and thanks.
2015/01/17 13:00:38
mettelus
Wav files are saved when recorded, so check the audio folder as Clint mentioned. Without the cwp, editing would have to be re-done which may be painful.
2015/01/17 13:03:21
mettelus
Try right clicking the column header in windows explorer and add the "date" columns you want to use. Date created may be most helpful.
2015/01/17 13:05:37
bapu
Beeps,
 
The answer to file sorting is in this thread -> http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3142541
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