• SONAR
  • Pattern Tool? (p.2)
2015/01/15 06:06:54
scook
Yes, groove clips have been mentioned before. This is a very narrow request for a specific key mapping and function.
2015/01/15 06:08:36
TomHelvey
Loptec
You don't need that command in Sonar.
Just convert your clip to a groove-clip (ctrl+L) and drag it out to "duplicate" it all you want.. :)



No, duplicate doesn't work that way. Groove clip looping can't 'duplicate' the functionality. It's not currently possible to emulate the behavior correctly in Sonar.
2015/01/15 06:11:07
Loptec
Yeah.
We've got the "paste special"-function though which I'd guess kind of works as the "duplicate"-command.
Here you can choose how many "repetitions" you want of what you're about to paste.
 
Just bind a shortcut to it and you've got your duplicate-command, Tom.
2015/01/15 06:12:21
Loptec
TomHelvey
Loptec
You don't need that command in Sonar.
Just convert your clip to a groove-clip (ctrl+L) and drag it out to "duplicate" it all you want.. :)



No, duplicate doesn't work that way. Groove clip looping doesn't 'duplicate' the functionality. It's not currently possible to emulate the behavior correctly in Sonar.




What functionality are you talking about that Groove Clips doesn't include?
2015/01/15 06:41:30
TomHelvey
Loptec
What functionality are you talking about that Groove Clips doesn't include?



One scenario:
A single measure 4 notes of 1/8 note duration one on each beat. C D G C
Select all notes in the measure, snap set to 1/8th notes
Hit Ctrl+D
Result:
Notes are duplicated on 1/8th note boundaries.
Instead of: C D G C
You get: CCDDGGCC
Conversely, if you set the snap to 1 measure you get
C D G C C D G C
It's not the same.
2015/01/15 07:05:59
Loptec
TomHelvey
Loptec
What functionality are you talking about that Groove Clips doesn't include?



One scenario:
A single measure 4 notes of 1/8 note duration one on each beat. C D G C
Select all notes in the measure, snap set to 1/8th notes
Hit Ctrl+D
Result:
Notes are duplicated on 1/8th note boundaries.
Instead of: C D G C
You get: CCDDGGCC
Conversely, if you set the snap to 1 measure you get
C D G C C D G C
It's not the same.



Ah alright, I understand..
 
Your example could be solved in Sonar just by selecting all notes (or selecting the whole MIDI-clip in track view) and dragging them 1/8 to the right while holding the ctrl-key, though. Or just copying the notes and then placing the now-time where you want to paste it (1/8 to the right) and paste.
 
Implementing a whole new command for things that can be solve just as easily in another way seems like a waste of time to me.
 
Maybe I'm not grasping everything you could do with the duplicate tool in other DAWs though. If there's a specific thing you can't figure out how to do in Sonar, just ask here.. and if what you're trying to do isn't possible, just make a feature request here http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx
 
With these new continuous updates I'm guessing Cakewalk will keep themselves updated on what's going on in the feature request forum to make everyone happy.. :)
 
The new pattern tool can probably be used for stuff like this as well. With this you can even change the pitch of the new pattern you're about to make which's awesome :)
2015/01/15 08:01:55
gswitz
My thoughts are the same as Loptec.

I do think quick painting of patterns will be useful and creative.

Could be interesting with Snap to key as well.
2015/01/15 09:19:18
Stone House Studios
Is it me, or is this pretty much the reintroduction of the Pattern Brush that disappeared around the time the X series came out?
I don't remember anyone saying "Hey! What happened to the pattern brush?" 😉
 
I can see it having some use, just like any tool in the box - it's there if the job calls for it!
Brian 
2015/01/15 10:39:43
FastBikerBoy
IIRC the pattern brush was the thing that actually was removed when X1 came out as opposed to the supposed 'hundreds' of functions that had been removed.
2015/01/15 14:23:43
TomHelvey
Loptec
Ah alright, I understand..
 
Your example could be solved in Sonar just by selecting all notes (or selecting the whole MIDI-clip in track view) and dragging them 1/8 to the right while holding the ctrl-key, though. Or just copying the notes and then placing the now-time where you want to paste it (1/8 to the right) and paste.



No completely. :)
Ctrl+D is one key stroke, the closest you can get is copy and paste and you still have to move the now marker.
If you duplicate multiple times, new copies are appended at the next snap boundary then the next. You don't have to touch the mouse or change the now marker. It's a lot faster.
 
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