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2015/01/15 05:26:44
Loptec
I just realized that it will be possible to fix sloppy bass, guitar (and whatever) playing with VocalSync.. :O
 
By just creating a midi track (with software instrument) and playing the part "as it should be" and then freezing the synth it should be possible to use this as a guide track for VocalSync!! :D
 
I'm SOO looking forward to start playing with the new toys!! :D
2015/01/15 11:44:01
tKx5050
I was thinking the same thing but Noel posted somewhere, that for right now, it's optimized for vocal range. Hopefully they will continue development to make it more general purpose. Would love to be able to tighten up harmony guitar leads for example.
2015/01/15 13:12:24
stevec
I like...   and will try it anyway just because.    
 
2015/01/15 13:15:58
tKx5050
Yeah, Craig also posted that he is putting Vocalsync through it's paces to see what other uses he comes up with. If anyone can discover unexpected benefits it would be Mr. Anderton.
2015/01/15 13:32:09
SilkTone
You can already do the same thing with Melodyne (or AudioSnap?). I have Melodyne Editor (so it supports polyphonic material), and I've used it more than once to move or to stretch a single 12 string acoustic guitar note that had a small timing issue. It is amazing that you can move or stretch just a single note in a sea of overlapping notes (which includes all their harmonics as individual blobs).
 
But to tweak the overall timing of a performance, VocalSync would probably be useful. Maybe given that people might eventually use it for more than just vocals, it should have been called AudioSync or something else more generic?
2015/01/15 13:44:12
konradh
This will be a lifesaver for me on vocals.  I sometimes do 12 to 24 backing vocals and alignment is very hard.  In fact, I was about to spend $300 on Vocalign.
 
If this will work but still allow a slight variation. it will be awesome.
 
And you idea is great, by the way.
2015/01/15 13:50:34
tKx5050
Since it is a region-effect I'm assuming it's using ARA, which would kind of make it the quick/ez version of a Melodyne /AudioSnap mashup. I believe Noel posted that AudioSync was just developed in the last couple of months so will be interesting to see where they take the feature set.
2015/01/15 15:31:07
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
VocalSync doesn't use ARA, rather it uses our region FX framework which is what ARA is built upon.
VocalSync, ARA and the old VVocal all use this and the upcoming drum replacer also works as a region effect.
We've been building a lot of stuff upon this.
2015/01/15 15:46:28
stickman393
I'm looking forward to exercising V-Vocal in the new SONAR! RegionFX's are great.
2015/01/15 15:52:28
Beepster
SilkTone
You can already do the same thing with Melodyne (or AudioSnap?). I have Melodyne Editor (so it supports polyphonic material), and I've used it more than once to move or to stretch a single 12 string acoustic guitar note that had a small timing issue. It is amazing that you can move or stretch just a single note in a sea of overlapping notes (which includes all their harmonics as individual blobs).
 
But to tweak the overall timing of a performance, VocalSync would probably be useful. Maybe given that people might eventually use it for more than just vocals, it should have been called AudioSync or something else more generic?




This seems to be more of a convenience tool. As you said Melodyne would work as would Audiosnap but would be more work. In melodyne to tighten two chord parts you would even need the polyphony. Just the timing stuff to move the blobs closer on the timeline.
 
The nice thing about the VAlign seems to be how simple and quick it is to use and I do certainly hope it will work well for guitars. The fact it is variable and a region FX too is great because even though one might want to tighten guitar tracks together you don't want them TOO tight for some stuff thus losing the fullness produced by two distinct performances.
 
If it ISN'T honed all that great for guits hopefully they'll release another version or a preset more suited for such tasks. It would be immensely useful to me personally. Something I'm currently working on would benefit greatly. There are spots where I am playing single note riffs where I want those notes on the layer tracks to be as tight as possible but then there are chunky chord parts that sound better with a bit of wobble. I'd apply it the effect to different degrees to the different areas. Currently I do a pile of takes and then match the best because that's easier (for me but I'm a good player and a sucky engineer) than fiddling with timing correction stuff in Melodyne or AS.
 
However for the stated/dedicated purpose of vocal correction it would still be invaluable because my mics are all kind of crap so to get a good sound I have to mix and match with multiple takes using the various mics. It makes it very difficult to make that sound like ONE track so this could help with that.
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