• SONAR
  • Looping groove clips
2014/12/27 19:19:58
jvanbeek
I am using Cakewalk SONAR X3 Producer and am having the following problems.  I record a simple djembe line.  I then resize the data to only use the area of the line that I want to keep.  I then make a looping groove clip with this data.  I then stretch the clip so that it covers 12 bars.  When I play it back, extra notes are added to the sound clip.  Has anyone ever experienced this?  I got this idea from the "CreatingAnAudioLoop" video from Eli Krantzberg.  Thank you for your time.


2014/12/27 20:06:46
Anderton
"Extra notes added to the sound clip" isn't specific enough to give a certain answer, but if the number of beats isn't 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc., you'll need to enter the number of beats in the Beats field when you open the loop construction window.
 
If that doesn't solve the problem, please give more data (are the extra notes at the correct tempo? is the timbre any different? Does the clip show rounded corners to indicate it's a groove clip?) and we'll continue troubleshooting.
2014/12/27 21:31:33
jvanbeek
Thank you for responding.  The beats are set to 4.  When I play the track without looping enabled, the 4 beat track plays fine.  When I Looping in Groove Clips, the track gets a little bit wider, an extra note is added at the beginning and the tempo is slowed down.  The piece is at 96 bpm, but when I select Looping, the original tempo field gets a value of 153.6, sounds slower and is not able to be updated.  Thank you for your time.
 
2014/12/27 21:37:34
jvanbeek
One more thing.  I have, many times, restarted Cakewalk.  However, when I am re-starting now, I get the following message; "Transients are in the process of being generated.  Depending upon project settings, playback may be different until the process is complete."
 
2014/12/28 01:29:01
Anderton
jvanbeek
One more thing.  I have, many times, restarted Cakewalk.  However, when I am re-starting now, I get the following message; "Transients are in the process of being generated.  Depending upon project settings, playback may be different until the process is complete."



I'm pretty sure that means that an edit filter was set to audio transients at some point or AudioSnap was selected, and it's still building tranients. Go into the Inspector for clips, select the AudioSnap tab, and disable it for any clips that have it enabled
2014/12/28 01:33:14
Anderton
jvanbeek
Thank you for responding.  The beats are set to 4.  When I play the track without looping enabled, the 4 beat track plays fine.  When I Looping in Groove Clips, the track gets a little bit wider, an extra note is added at the beginning and the tempo is slowed down.  The piece is at 96 bpm, but when I select Looping, the original tempo field gets a value of 153.6, sounds slower and is not able to be updated.  Thank you for your time.



This might be related to the transients issue. If a clip has AudioSnap enabled, the editable field for beats etc. in the loop construction window can't be altered.
 
Try this. Select the clip that's not working for you. Check in the Inspector if AudioSnap is enabled. If it is, uncheck it. Then in the Loop Construction window, make sure Loop On/Off is checked under Clip. At that point, you should be able to edit the Beats field.
2014/12/28 12:57:39
jvanbeek
Thank you so much for your quick responses.  I am going to try all that you suggest.  Again, I can't thank you enough.
 
2014/12/28 21:34:44
Anderton
jvanbeek
Thank you so much for your quick responses.  I am going to try all that you suggest.  Again, I can't thank you enough.



Thank me when it works!  Until then the problem hasn't been solved.
2014/12/30 16:30:06
jvanbeek
I've tried your suggestions listed above, but with no luck.  I know this issue is hard to resolve without seeing the tracks first hand.  I am going to work with this without loops.  I'll copy the audio and paste it into a track for the number of times the loop would have gone.  I appreciate you trying to help, but I don't want to take up any more of your time.  If you do think of anything else, however, please post it and I will try.  Thank you.
 
2014/12/30 17:19:24
brundlefly
Can you share the raw audio clip somewhere (i.e. an export of the section you're working with before converting to a groove clip)?. If we can reproduce the problem, it will be easier to find a solution. Creating a smoothly looping groove clip can take a little finessing sometimes, depending on the content. My guess is the problem has something to do with the timing or length of the raw audio not perfectly matching the tempo and time signature of the project and/or beats-in-clip being mis-detected as suggested by Craig.
 
 
 
 
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