Usually I have no hard disk defrag problems.  Very interesting to know saving as a cwb fixes a messy project.

So a simple "save as" to a new folder doesn't consolidate the audio?
 
Tom

DeeringAmps
So a simple "save as" to a new folder doesn't consolidate the audio?
 
Tom

I don't know, but I don't necessarily want to have to create a bunch of new folders during the process of creating a loop library...so the bundle thing works great in this case. 
 
I'm far from done with the library, so next time I reach a point where the dropouts start getting out of hard, I'll do a save as and report back.

I'm thinking that the conversion to a bundle file causes the project file to be cleaned up as it changes format. If that's the case, then I don't think it would help by creating another .CWP file. I guess we'll know soon.

cue the 'saving as .cwb corrupted my data' thread...

DeeringAmps
So a simple "save as" to a new folder doesn't consolidate the audio?

 
Saving to a new folder will copy all the project audio files as is. Saving a bundle compacts all audio to a single wave file (inside the bundle) by format. So all stereo 16 bit will be one chunk and all mono 24 bit another etc. When unpacking the bundle you should choose to create a single file for all clips rather than one file per clip, in this scenario.
 
Normally there should be no reason to do this but if for either fragmentation reasons or some other disk latency problem its slow to read a specific wave file you can get drop outs. Another way to address issues like this is to increase the disk playback buffer size. That will pre-buffer more audio ahead of the play cursor.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Normally there should be no reason to do this but if for either fragmentation reasons or some other disk latency problem its slow to read a specific wave file you can get drop outs. Another way to address issues like this is to increase the disk playback buffer size. That will pre-buffer more audio ahead of the play cursor.

As always, thanks Noel for chiming in. I did play with the disk playback buffer size, but this is truly a "corner case" - I don't know how many people have projects with 50+ tracks, and each track has cuts made for each note in the loop in order to re-arrange them and create variations. Track view looks more like a mosaic than an audio project 
 
You're going to love the loops, though!!

mgh
cue the 'saving as .cwb corrupted my data' thread...

I have yet to see any evidence that this is anything other than an urban legend. I've asked if anyone has saved as a bundle file, then opened it shortly thereafter and had corruption. No one has ever reported experiencing that. The "corruption" is always in the context of "I have this bundle file from [x number] of years ago..."
 
People seem unwilling to accept that storage media can deteriorate over time. This is true of CD-ROMs, hard drives, flash drives...anything. Also many people don't realize that CD-Rs use a different technology than CD-ROMs and have both a shorter life and less stability, and that flash drives include redundancy because of issues with cell retention. The reason why this is crucial with bundle files is they are like .zip files; if just a few bits get lost then you lose the file.
 
I "refresh" backups of all my data periodically. I learned to do this the hard way, when zip files couldn't be opened years later. The refreshing occurs to the "optical media du jour." For example I copied data on CD-Rs to DVD-Rs when they became available, then to Blu-Ray. So not only is the data refreshed, I now have three sets of backups.
 
 
 

Hey I agree Craig and tbh I've not seen that posted since about sonar 7...

Anderton
As always, thanks Noel for chiming in. I did play with the disk playback buffer size, but this is truly a "corner case" - I don't know how many people have projects with 50+ tracks, and each track has cuts made for each note in the loop in order to re-arrange them and create variations. Track view looks more like a mosaic than an audio project 
 
You're going to love the loops, though!!

If you have a copy of the project before you compacted it send it to me and I can take a look at why its dropping out.
Perhaps there is an optimization we can make to avoid the dropout when there are a lot of files.