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2011/09/14 09:07:57
Spencil Splodge
Hi,
 
Ok, this is something that has appeared in other threads and is very unlikely to be a Sonar X1 issue. See this thread which also contains posts about the issue, including one I've just added:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2226276&mpage=2#2387959
 
Basically, I've experienced BSOD's in Windows 7 64 bit with my EMU 1616M PCI while arming/disarming tracks or changing input sources in Sonar X1. This problem is driving me crazy and it means I'm afraid to change stuff in Sonar X1 through fear of a blue screen occurring. It seems that any action that opens/closes an ASIO channel can cause the blue screen - rapidly clicking the ARM button will induce a BSOD fairly reliably highlighting 'ha10kx2k.sys' as the cause (an EMU driver) with IRQL_LESS_THAN_NOT_EQUAL as the error.
 
Another less important issue is that the 'Scribble Strip' track names that I put into PatchMix DSP are no longer appearing in the ASIO input names in Sonar - they now just have generic ASIO names which is really not useful, again likely to be an EMU driver issue.  Both of these issues did not occur with Vista 32-bit/Sonar 8. I've tried EMU support and I've not got very far to date.
 
Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I suppose I just want to rule out a configuration issue or conflict with my setup and just put it down to a bug in the EMU driver and take it from there (i.e. get another interface as EMU seem to be stuck in Win7 64-bit BETA since back in mid-2010, unless you get the 'new' PCI Express version)... any help much appreciated.
 
Thanks!
2011/09/14 10:06:01
Spencil Splodge
Maybe I'm all alone in my world of blue
2011/09/14 10:12:15
whack
cant really help you,got those blue screens with my new focusrite interface on win7 64. More than likely due to the EMU driver so make sure that is up to date and maybe worth disabling your onboard soundcard if its running also.

Cian
2011/09/14 10:14:25
Guitarpima
I had an 1616m as well. I got a Roland Octa-Capture and the BSODs went away.

Maybe you could try updating your PCI card to the new PCIe  they have avalilable? 
2011/09/14 10:26:56
Spencil Splodge
Thanks for replies - I've already tried disabling the onboard sound card but it didn't resolve the issue, unfortunately.

I've looked at the PCIe version (the drivers are non-BETA for Win7 64 bit) but it's hard to part with cash on a device which, unfortunately, offers no better features or performance over the PCI version and worse still I'm not sure it will fix my problem that EMU haven't been able to recreate (apparently) - but I do really like my 1616m and getting the 1010 PCIe card (using the existing microdock) is tempting if it would fix the issue... 

Other than that, I'm hoping for some magical fix...
2011/09/14 10:30:40
Spencil Splodge
Out of curiousity, Guitarpima, how is the Roland Octa-Capture?  I've looked at this one before and it looks nice - what kind of latency do you get in Sonar X1 (how low can you go)?
2011/09/14 10:46:43
brundlefly
You will see I have contributed to most of the threads on this subject. My  position is that most of these problems are due to problems with the E-MU x64 drivers. I had none of them on this same hardware under XP.

The "scribble strip" issue is somewhat better in SONAR x86 on WIn7 x64, but all other issues affect both.

Bottom line is I think we are all going to have to give up on these interfaces, because E-MU has officially stopped supporting them, though the beta drivers for the 1616m are "should work".

I'm curious that you didn't mention the "silent outputs after rewind from record state" problem that I have with this interface under Win7 x64, but only with SONAR. Do you not experience this one?


EDIT: Just realized you are running the 1616m not 1820m, so maybe not all issues I experience are applicable.

I'll just add that I would not buy another E-MU interface even if it were guaranteed to resolve all these issues in Win7. The problem is I can't have any confidence it won't happen all over again with Win8. These products are too expensive not to be supported with driver updates for at least two O/S generations, unless it's not technologically feasible. I know of no other manufacturer who has left users so badly out in the cold with Win7 x64 (maybe Tascam?).

2011/09/14 10:58:31
Spencil Splodge
Thanks for the reply brundlefly.

Yes, I've seen your contributions on some other threads - I was kind of hoping you may have found a work around.  I'm not sure I've ever experienced the "silent outputs after rewind from record state" issue - I will try and recreate this issue later and let you know.

As for the scribble strip issue - it's interesting how the x86 version of Sonar works better in Win7 64 bit with these - could it be a Sonar problem?

Looks like E-MU are sadly leaving the PCI versions behind, although I don't really have confidence that the PCIe version drivers fix these issues.  It will be a sad day if/when I say goodbye to my 1616m...
2011/09/14 11:15:11
brundlefly
I will try and recreate this issue later and let you know.



The only time you would notice it is if you use Input Monitoring of audio inputs, and need to have it work when the transport is not running. As soon a you start playback or another recording take, the ports get opened back up. But if you're trying to rehearse on an input-monitored instrument, you have to cycle the audio engine to wake the ports back up.


Stopping recording with R before stopping the transport avoids the problem.
2011/09/14 11:23:07
inaheartbeat
I can highly recommend the Octa-Capture and I am using two of them strapped together. I created a whole topic based on my experiences with changing over to using it and also putting them together so if you decide to get one please read that forum thread here cause it may save you a LOT of grief.

As far as the BSOD, I have gotten them and not just in Sonar. The consistent gremlin is if you try to change audio interfaces while the audio engine is running. I think if you just click on the little icon for the audio engine to turn it off that may help. I can tell you that it is not just a Sonar problem. I tested out a version of Ableton Live where I did something equivalent and it crashed just as hard so this is clearly a driver issue.

The ASIO drives for the Octa-Capture appear to be very solid and the latency numbers are great. I run my two Octa-Captures strapped via the S/PDIF ports and the whole system is dead quiet at 96Khz/24 bit. I also absolutely love the per port compression/limiter and pre-amps. 
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