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  • Totally baffled by ringing overtones only on the audio exported from Sonar X3
2014/12/10 13:59:46
MFanning
Hello, I have a project with a female vocal solo which sounds fine in the final bounce to tracks mixdown in the project.  Playing the project in SonarX3 the vocals sound fine in the mixed down audio.  However, after I export it and playback with windows media player the vocal part has noticeable ringing overtones.  Shouldn't the exported audio be exactly like the bounced to tracks audio?  The female vocal is produced by EW Voices of Passion which I have used before but always with other instruments perhaps masking the overtones.  This is the first time I have noticed a difference between the audio mixed down and played back in SonarX3 and the exported audio. I am not using any effects on the audio mix track.  I tried different settings in the audio export options such as dithering, unchecking fast bounce and checking 64-bit audio engine but nothing seems to help.  I even copied the audio track to Sonar 8.5 and the same thing occurred.  Anyone else notice a difference between the audio bounce to tracks in Sonar and the exported audio playback?  Is there anything I can do to eliminate the overtones?  This is baffling to me.  I hope someone here might be able to shed some light on this problem.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
2014/12/10 14:25:46
Starise
I'm only guessing at the cause here...have you tried it in another audio player? What format are you exporting to? Have you tried exporting to a  different format? Are you exporting through any soundless plug ins in the master bus like meters or monitor correction plug ins? If so , I would remove those and give it another try. Do you get the same effect if you export only the problematic track? Knowing the answers to these questions might shed some light on it...maybe/
2014/12/10 16:56:46
MFanning
Starise
I'm only guessing at the cause here...have you tried it in another audio player? What format are you exporting to? Have you tried exporting to a  different format? Are you exporting through any soundless plug ins in the master bus like meters or monitor correction plug ins? If so , I would remove those and give it another try. Do you get the same effect if you export only the problematic track? Knowing the answers to these questions might shed some light on it...maybe/


Thanks for your thoughts.   After trying several other audio players and getting the same result and also trying different audio formats and having the same thing it occured to me to try playing it on my second computer which is hooked up to my home theater system.  On the other computer it sounds fine.  So I think it has to do with how windows is playing back my wave files and the channel strip setup on my Emu 1820m.  At least I know its not something in Sonar.  It might take me awhile to figure it out. 
 
Thanks!
 
Michael Fanning
2014/12/10 17:00:27
Anderton
IIRC the Emu 1820m's native DSP is at 48 kHz. Could that have something to do with it? Make sure any effects in the Emu are completely out of the picture.
2014/12/10 17:59:38
MFanning
Anderton
IIRC the Emu 1820m's native DSP is at 48 kHz. Could that have something to do with it? Make sure any effects in the Emu are completely out of the picture.


Craig, thank you for that information.  I will look into what I have going on in the Emu Patchmix setup.  I think that is where the problem is.
 
Thanks!
 
Michael
2014/12/10 18:01:36
LunaTech
Hello,
 
Also check your Windows Media Player (view, enhancements) or effects section.. There have been cases where effects or settings were causing all kinds of changes to perfectly bounced audio. Are you using a different audio device for Windows Media Player playback? If so that device's settings is a place to review as it processes the audio for Media Player. IHTH
2014/12/10 19:19:31
Anderton
LunaTech
Hello,
 
Also check your Windows Media Player (view, enhancements) or effects section.



Excellent tip. Once I was setting up a laptop to play back audio examples at a seminar and the sound quality was awful. I had no idea why everything on which I'd worked so hard sounded so dreadful. It turned out the Sound Control Panel "enhancements" had decided to turn themselves on (I sure hadn't) under Properties > Advanced. Uncheck "enable audio enhancements," which should be labeled "enable audio tools of satan."
2014/12/11 20:30:44
MFanning
Thanks everyone for your great suggestions.      After fiddling around for several hours it seems there is no easy fix.  Awhile back I upgraded my DAW from Windows 7 to Windows 8.1 and it seemed my EMU 1820 card was going to work fine with the new OS despite there being no new drivers for it.  Shortly afterwards I installed a new video card (ASUS Radeon HD7790) so I could connect my HD tv monitor and two HP monitors.   Sonar X3 using EMU asio worked fine with the new setup but playing windows system sounds was another matter.  I could not get windows system playback with the EMU-3-DSP being selected as the default.  The only thing I could do that worked was to select  Toshiba-TV AMD High Def Audio for the default sound and loop an optical cable back from the tv to the EMU optical input.  It worked!   It seemed fine until I noticed the ringing overtones which led to my original post.  There seems to be no audio settings in the AMD GPU Tweak to see if there is any kind of sample rate mismatch or such with the EMU interface.  At least I can listen to my exported Sonar mixes on my second network linked computer set up with my home theater system. 
 
Thanks again everyone.  This is an awesome forum!
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