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  • [Fixed in X3e] Playlist still broken (but NOT ANYMORE!!!) (p.5)
2014/01/10 17:10:34
joden
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I actually just got a few notifications of things being worked on in regards to the playlist for the next update...sooooo hang on just a bit longer guys.
 
We're sorry that we missed some things in the last few updates, but due to the massive amount of work that was required in VST3/Melodyne we just couldn't get to it in time.


Wonderful news, thanks Seth 
2014/01/10 19:54:04
mettelus
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I actually just got a few notifications of things being worked on in regards to the playlist for the next update...sooooo hang on just a bit longer guys.
 
We're sorry that we missed some things in the last few updates, but due to the massive amount of work that was required in VST3/Melodyne we just couldn't get to it in time.


Thank you for chiming in Seth. From a "sales" perspective, there is nothing better than having other musicians come up between sets on a live performance and asking "What are you running on that machine??" In a studio it is hard to advertise a DAW; but man, in a live performance setting there are musicians in every crowd!
2014/01/10 22:58:13
trnfoot
Great news Seth! Fingers crossed for X3e:) Good point Mettelus.
2014/01/10 23:06:13
Anderton
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
We're sorry that we missed some things in the last few updates, but due to the massive amount of work that was required in VST3/Melodyne we just couldn't get to it in time.



C'mon Seth, it's just a few lines of code! I bet you guys did the VST3 and ARA integration over the weekend, and spent the next six months in Hawaii.
 
Seriously, I think y'all have done an extremely good job of identifying, prioritizing, and fixing bugs. By and large, I think the community has been helpful in that goal because they can tell you're truly paying attention. And on a personal note...thanks for fixing the Loop Construction window playback bug!
2014/01/11 10:28:42
soens
I thought Sonar was a music "production" tool. Not a music "playing" tool. It's nice to have a lot of "add-ons" like this but I don't expect Sonar to make them all perform at top level.
 
On the other hand, if it has a feature, it should work as advertised. If it's broke and no one wants to fix it then it should be removed imho.
2014/01/11 11:07:52
Anderton
soens
On the other hand, if it has a feature, it should work as advertised. If it's broke and no one wants to fix it then it should be removed imho.



There was a post where Seth said they're working on it, so apparently they do want to fix it. As to removing it, it still functions, just not optimally for live use. Some people might find it useful in its present state.
 
I understand the point about production vs. playing, and optimizing a program in a focused way. However I find there are some "real time"-type functions, like Matrix View, which are helpful for songwriting and other kinds of music creation. I don't expect Cakewalk to turn into Ableton Live any more than I expect it to turn into Vegas, but hopefully having some of those elements doesn't detract from Cakewalk's work on other aspects of the program.
2014/01/11 14:33:34
JCody
Seth,
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear this news! YESSSS!
2014/01/11 21:50:27
soens
I agree. The playlist seems to work fine in X2. If it's not working in X3 then I understand the worries.
2014/01/11 22:37:49
Cactus Music
I have been a solo performer almost since the first days of Midi. We were lucky that a person, Jeff Koftinoff
http://www.jdkoftinoff.com/
Lived in my hometown, You'll see if you go to his website that he coded out a Midi performance software that really worked flawlessly for us. http://www.jdkoftinoff.com/main/Historic_Projects/The_Pro_MIDI_Player/
In the beginning we had to load about 25 songs at a time due to floppy disk storage limitations. But this simple program never crashed unless the power went out. I had him customize a foot controller based on the second joystick port. Stop/start/up/down and last but not least "panic" ( all notes off) I used it night after night for at least 8 years, I switched to mini disk when I got tired of lugging around 20 lbs of hardware. 
In 2004 I bought a laptop and started using Win Amp and an X keys footswitch. This has been the closest I have been to Jeffs program. 
I have dreamed of software that would work the way this did but include real audio and Midi as well. Seems nobody has found a reason to spend time on this and we just get half baked things like Sonar's playlist. 
My wish list for live performance , just in case the bakers read this thread.
 
Play stereo audio files, wave or mp3  ( win amp does this) 
Run Midi in sync for efxs and lighting
Lyrics pop up on top of screen once songs starts ( Jeffs program did this in 1986) 
Foot control via hot keys. ( win amp does this) 
Drag and drop playlist editor  ( win amp ) 
Save playlist  ( win amp) 
Manual playlist advance , stops after each song (Win amp is only player that does this). 
 
2014/01/12 12:06:25
JCody
Cactus Music
I have been a solo performer almost since the first days of Midi. We were lucky that a person, Jeff Koftinoff
http://www.jdkoftinoff.com/
Lived in my hometown, You'll see if you go to his website that he coded out a Midi performance software that really worked flawlessly for us. http://www.jdkoftinoff.com/main/Historic_Projects/The_Pro_MIDI_Player/
In the beginning we had to load about 25 songs at a time due to floppy disk storage limitations. But this simple program never crashed unless the power went out. I had him customize a foot controller based on the second joystick port. Stop/start/up/down and last but not least "panic" ( all notes off) I used it night after night for at least 8 years, I switched to mini disk when I got tired of lugging around 20 lbs of hardware. 
In 2004 I bought a laptop and started using Win Amp and an X keys footswitch. This has been the closest I have been to Jeffs program. 
I have dreamed of software that would work the way this did but include real audio and Midi as well. Seems nobody has found a reason to spend time on this and we just get half baked things like Sonar's playlist. 
My wish list for live performance , just in case the bakers read this thread.
 
Play stereo audio files, wave or mp3  ( win amp does this) 
Run Midi in sync for efxs and lighting
Lyrics pop up on top of screen once songs starts ( Jeffs program did this in 1986) 
Foot control via hot keys. ( win amp does this) 
Drag and drop playlist editor  ( win amp ) 
Save playlist  ( win amp) 
Manual playlist advance , stops after each song (Win amp is only player that does this). 
 


I'm pretty sure I  can make sonar's playlist do all of the above with the exception of foot control and drag and drop. When its current glitches are fixed, your dream may just come true.
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