• SONAR
  • Silent Busses Detected. Bug? (p.5)
2014/11/29 20:26:12
gswitz
200bpm, don't make posts like this last one in an open thread. It begs everyone to weigh in.
 
Just PM Noel or Craig.
2014/11/30 00:21:47
Razorwit
Hi 200bpm
I think what you may be running into is the RME card automatically reducing the number of I/O it has when changing to sample rates higher than 48k. I know on my RME MADI card it does that and I'm pretty sure the UFX does it as well (my MADI card reduces the MADI channels available, your UFX probably reduces the number of ADATs). Since ADAT runs "natively" at 48k when you change up to higher rates the RME card should reduce the number of available I/O. This could result in the symptoms you're seeing, either as a result of re-numbering the I/O's, or if you're using ADAT, making some of them disappear alltogether.
Hope that helps,
Dean
 
EDIT - yeah, check page 21 of your UFX manual. It shows how channel count (or "device" count) is reduced at higher sampling rates.
2014/11/30 01:57:16
Anderton
200bpm
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I am out on vacation and just saw your video. Firstly, its very unfortunate that you are taking an aggressive attitude with people who are trying their best to help you.


The problem is Craig Anderton's haughty attitude and passive aggressive behaviour. If you read this thread, I posed a question and linked the message I was seeing from the Sonar Documentation.
 
Craig then told me to search Google and POSTED THE SAME EXACT LINK I posted in my original query.

 
You are wrong. You posted a link to the info for X2. I posted a link to the info for X3 (the program you say you use), which included three links to more information. This is why my post said "More info." As noted, this is what you would have found had you searched on Google. You wouldn’t have had to wait for me to post the X3 info.
 
He later went on to chide and tell me that I need to provide more information if anyone is going to help, yet another respected user fully understood what I was saying and provided some suggestions.

 
It’s common to ask for clarification if insufficient data prevents a full understanding of an issue. It’s not just me; as you said: “Its [sic] amazing to me, the group of people who do not seem to understand my explanations.” Having just participated in your VST insert thread that, to understand what you wanted, required several people to make educated guesses (as well as someone else to draw a diagram of what he thought you meant), I preferred not to waste additional time trying to guess how "dropping outputs" manifested itself.
 
Craig acts this way and he needs to be called out on it.

 
No one has stopped you from saying anything you want about me. I trust the people here to make up their own minds about who contributes useful information to this forum. As to your comments to Noel:
 
You should just stay out of the social commentary. As I said in another thread help or don't help. The rest of the posturing, passive aggression, internet policing is a waste of everyone's time.

 
You have no right to tell Cakewalk’s CTO to abide by your dictates, or criticize what he decides to post or not post. Unlike you, this community greatly values and respects Noel's input, helpful attitude, and technical expertise. He is working while on his vacation, half a world away, yet wrote a detailed reply regarding your issue that in my opinion, merited at least a thank you—not your going off on a personal attack based on an imaginary slight (ref: my first paragraph).
 
BTW, I have 200+ posts and still can't post screenshots. That alone is enough to make anyone hostile.

 
You can post screen shots. It has nothing to do with post count or quality. I provided a link to show you how to do it and told you it’s not difficult. If you can’t figure it out, I’m sure someone can help you.
 
I spent over an hour trying to figure out a way for you to get the equivalent of VST inserts, and two hours trying to duplicate your external inserts issue on three different computers in at attempt to find out the source of your problem, which ultimately I could not reproduce. Given that you clearly don't read many of my posts, going forward I will spend my time on people who do.
2014/11/30 05:11:57
Karyn
200bpm

BTW, I have 200+ posts and still can't post screenshots.  That  alone is enough to make anyone hostile.

It's early in the morning here and I'm tired, so I may have misunderstood..  but why would anyone be hostile just because you can't work out how to post screen shots?
2014/11/30 10:37:37
Anderton
Karyn, I provided a link so he could.
2014/11/30 11:33:23
bitflipper
I couldn't make out from the video where those outputs were going. Were they ADAT channels?
 
ADAT's bandwidth is fixed in the ADAT protocol spec, based on the specific (although now obsolete) requirements of the Alesis DAT machines of 20 years ago. Consequently, the maximum number of channels it supports is determined by the data rate (wordlength * sample rate). For 24-bit audio, that's 8 channels at 48KHz, but because the bandwidth is fixed, that must be reduced to 4 channels at 96KHz. Switching from 48 to 96 means that half of the original 8 virtual destinations are no longer usable, and from SONAR's perspective they no longer exist. 
 
SONAR does not set the sample rate. It can only send a request to the interface driver, and that request will either succeed or fail. SONAR cannot coerce the driver into doing anything. It is entirely at the mercy of the driver. So if it asks for a channel and the driver refuses, all SONAR can do is invalidate the bus or track output designation and set it to "None".
2014/11/30 12:22:51
brundlefly
Good one, Dave. This is one of the (many) reasons I've avoided using higher sample rates. I believe some interfaces will also lose analog channels at higher sample rates due to bandwidth limitations of their converters.
2014/11/30 12:25:19
Anderton
If so, then it looks like this wouldn't be considered a SONAR bug.
2014/11/30 12:29:04
John
Sonar may be the only DAW that tries to inform the user that the routing on their system has changed. A bug? Hardly! It is a very helpful feature.  
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