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2014/11/20 15:34:25
kennywtelejazz
DRanck
I don't do this myself, but I've considered it. Some of the posters on the Sounds Online forum (East West) might have some insight.
 If you come up with a good system, it would be interesting to hear about it.




DRanck , 
come to think of it , I do remember hearing about people over there doing that a few years back …
thanks for the tip . need to look into it .
 
gswitz
Sort of. I regularly use a computer with my primary interface in conjunction with a Tascam 2488 (read second computer) and I digitally lock the two using SPIDF and let the Tascam run as a slave to the RME.
 
This gives me 8 more channels.
 
The lock is the key. Drift would be intolerable without the lock.
I move all the files onto one computer for mixing (although you can use Cakewalk to automate the Tascam if you want... I did it once for yucks).


gswtiz, 
I used to run a  Roland BR1180CD as the front end (sound shaper ) into my sound card ( 1010lt ) for years ..
as a preamp it worked out very good for my guitar …having the COSM effects were a nice addition …
I would also use it to phantom power a direct box w a cab emulator …
never got around to exploring how to use SPDIF ….always wanted to …none of my current sound cards have it .
 
I was able to sync it to SONAR VIA midi and use some of the built in drums , even got them in SONAR as midis….
just put it away a few months ago to clear some space on my desk …
yeah I get where your coming from …it sure was an experiment ….
 
thanks , 
 
Kenny
2014/11/20 21:34:11
pianodano
I do everyday. Multiple instances of EWQLSO. But I still run XP and Sonar 8.5.3.
 
I use Fx teleport. It's the bees knees for running via another computer, vst's in Sonar. Unfortunately It is not (or was not) supported with win 7. I also run Muse Receptors which also runs as plugs in Sonar.
 
Sergey over at RealGuitar sells midi  over lan which would basically act like a external synth. So you would need sound cards on each external machine. I much prefer the way Fxteleport works. Totally seamless. instantiate the synth and it shows up in Sonar just like any other.
2014/11/20 23:52:36
kennywtelejazz
swamptooth
One of the things I've done in the past is run rtpmidi as an input into sonar (so i can record the midi for the project in one place) with an output into mac. The audio interface is output/input to sonar and recorded to the sonar project file. That way all the data is in one place even though multiple machines and dawd are involved. I've occasionally had audio sync issues i had to resolve by nudging, but nothing major.



swamptooth, 
that's first I've heard of rtpmidi, it does sound very interesting using that approach …
thank you for sharing this info . have you tried that kiss box set up ? 
 
bentleyousley
I'm using Vienna Ensemble Pro mainly as a multi-machine host for Kontakt and Play libraries, but it can also be used to remote-host effect VSTs. All the midi and audio are sent and received over Ethernet cable, so if you have a gigabit hub, you already have all the connections in place. It takes a bit of work to wrap your head around at first, but after you get set-up, you'll wonder how you lived without it. Vienna has a downloadable demo on thier site. The full version requires a USB dongle for each server. Can't remember if the demo does.

 
bentleyousley,
I'm looking at this right now on the product page I just bookmarked ….thank you 
 
200bpm
VEP is the answer.

 
200bpm ,
 
OK , another vote for VEP ….how interesting .. thank you 
 
Anderton
200bpm
VEP is the answer.




In case that's too cryptic, he's referring to Vienna Ensemble Pro, not Variant Effect Predictor or Visual Evoked Potential 
 
As to the OP, used to do that a looooong time ago with computer #2 basically serving as an instrument rack and running into an ADAT lightpipe connected to computer #1. The only way I combine computers these days is for networked rendering with Vegas, and most of the time I don't bother...I just go grab a snack while rendering, or log into this forum and see what's up for a few minutes.




I think I got it by now …K… look into Vienna Ensemble Pro….
 
Hello Craig , it would't surprise me that you have been there , done that and moved on …
I'm basing this current search / question on my needs at this point ….
in an absolute best case scenario for me ,
I would have the money available to go out and buy some of the fully featured Goliath Synth / Plugin bundles 
such as Komplete and some of the various other compatible sound libraries I would be able to run on one machine comfortable .
since I'm not able to do that today , I have to go outside of Windows and X3 to use the ESX 24 with some other things for the type of sounds I'm currently doing …
 
thank you all, 
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2014/11/21 01:41:45
Sir Les
Wow, Just what I am trying to ,or going to do....here sort of.
 
Midi control, master /sync/slave the other...and a mixer, and wires to ins and outs ...busses, and such help also, is the way I think I know will work today.?..As it sort of did in past era of ages...midi is powerful when you know how to use it....
 
it has been around for as long as the computer has....so I guess it works now?....lol
 
Some info...
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/963610-cheap-way-sync-2-computers-together.html
 
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct07/articles/protools_1007.htm
 
 
 
Best wishes!
 
.
2014/11/21 10:51:43
swamptooth
Hey kenny,
No i haven't used kiss box yet but I'm looking at it for a future project. The rtp setup was for an art project with a friend. We had several computers linked up and three control computers set up around a room running pure data and generating midi in real time based on what the machines webcams were seeing and sending the results to pcs and macs for adaptive and generative sound. All via wifi as well.
Every once in a while I'll spook the girlfriend by streaming midi to her mac when I'm playing on the other side of the house. Good fun. :)
2014/11/21 13:11:47
jsg
kennywtelejazz
Hello Forum ,
 
I've been toying around with asking this question for a very long time …
the short story is ,
I'm running two main computers over here , one is a Win 8 running X3 as my primary DAW ….
the other is an I Mac running  Logic pro and a number of other OXS based DAW's …
both of these computers have their own usb sound cards …
 
with the Win 8 and the I Mac I've done everything I can to have all my 3rd party plugs and synths available on both machines  
 
I find myself having to work as if I'm doing a collab with a bunch of different people ..all whom, that are using different DAW's …
learning OMF , writing music doing stems across multiple platforms and little work arounds have exposed a few new tricks to this old dog , but man file management and keeping track of things is killing me …lol that in itself is becoming a major RUB….
 
I'm interested in hearing how some of you guys may have treated or used your DAW or an extra computer as a virtual rack-mount unit of external gear while running it back into SONAR ….
 
you know …..synths , plugs , ….. bringing it out of one box into another so you can treat it as if you are doing a live analog take  tweaked in real time …..
 
anybody doing this type of thing here ? if you are please chime in ….what will i need to do or learn to make this happen …
 
 
thank you in advance , 
 
Kenny 
 
 
disclaimer ….in keeping w the End User Agreement …I'm not looking to run 2 instances of SONAR simultaneously ….
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




 
My setup has been the same for a long time.  I run Sonar on a Win 7 machine with 16GB of RAM and 2 hard drives.  All of the samples, MIDI and WAV files are on the 2nd drive, Sonar, the OS, plugins and Sound Forge and CD Architect are on the 1st drive.
 
My second machine is dedicated to one purpose:  Running the VSL complete library, that's the only thing it's used for.  This machine also runs Win7 and has 24GB of RAM.  I can load well over 250,000 samples at once.  The two machines are connected via MIDI (input to VSL), ADAT (digital output to the Yamaha DM2000 mixing board), and Ethernet (for sharing files). 
 
That's my setup, here is the latest symphonic movement completed with this setup:
www.jerrygerber.com/symphony9.htm
 
Best,
Jerry
2014/11/21 17:24:16
Sacalait
I'm using two computers but one is for my monitor controller- which is a Focusrite Saffire 40.  ...I had it laying around and wanted to put it to use.  Before I was using an RME MutliFaceII but the volume control was software driven and I wanted a real knob to turn!  It's working out nicely!  I decided to NOT put the Focusrite on my main machine because I did it once and it blew out the drivers for my main interface which is a VS700.  I'm using the ADAT output of the VS to the ADAT input on the Focusrite.  The only issue is, for some reason, I can't hear any of the live stuff I'm cutting.  ...haven't figured that out yet.  My workaround is to plug a couple of analog cables from the output of the VS to the input of the Saffire and use the Focusrite mixer to hear. 
2014/11/21 18:15:18
kennywtelejazz
mixmkr
I tend to agree with Craig, except I keep my rendering to a minimum, so I don't get too fat!

But with the power of the newer computers, unless I was doing some insanely large project, I can't see the need.  I've migrated away from 32 bit stuff and I'm never running 110 instances of Omnisphere either.

But for those that love to tinker, plug in those old 80's rack pieces as external inserts, or love cables running all over, doing stuff like that can be total bliss.  But it starts getting away from being musically creative and just being creative, for creative's sake.  The listener could care squat, if you're desiring others than yourself to share music with.




Hello mixmkr, 
my whole thing is I'm looking to use what I already have more effectivly …
i went over to your u tube page and give a few of your videos a listen …
i enjoyed what you had to say in your back yard video … the one w the  Ovation ….
I love the Ovation i have …here's what it sounds like recorded at home using a Zoom mic / vid unit …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGttPgSTNmo&list=UUrnUUk_gLmq5MLvEmuwVqcg&spfreload=10 
 
thanks, 
 
Beagle
I started working on doing what Craig is describing at one time when I was still using Gigastudio, but not with lightpipe, I think it was called FX Teleport that you linked the 2 computers for Gigastudio on 1 computer and sonar on the other.
 
then Tascam () decided to poop on the Gigastudio owners and I eventually went to Kontakt and haven't looked back since.




Hello Reece , 
 
I'm all for finding what works   ,  I'm happy for you that you found the right set up for your workflow ….
 
thanks , 
 
Kenny
2014/11/21 19:23:48
LunaTech
Hi,
I use a similar setup to Sacalait.  Because a lot of the people I work with use PT, I have a dedicated workstation that has a Saffire Pro 40 w/PT.  I use the ADAT from it to send or receive from the PT Rig to my Sonar Rig.  It is not so much Using one Rig to control the other's plugs, but more to send the audio to a Specified channel in the other. For example.. There are some effects or instruments that I have in PT or Sonar that I want to use.. Instead of putting up two instances of the same... I just send it and record it via ADAT and make track notes about what it is for the project.
 
A lot of times for collaboration purposes I also can send my Sonar Stems or tracks via ADAT to PT for ease of use for my associates that use PT. Again making track notes about the tracks specifics. This may be simplistic to what you are wanting but for me .. It does work  IHTH..
2014/11/23 16:07:12
kennywtelejazz
pianodano
I do everyday. Multiple instances of EWQLSO. But I still run XP and Sonar 8.5.3.
 
I use Fx teleport. It's the bees knees for running via another computer, vst's in Sonar. Unfortunately It is not (or was not) supported with win 7. I also run Muse Receptors which also runs as plugs in Sonar.
 
Sergey over at RealGuitar sells midi  over lan which would basically act like a external synth. So you would need sound cards on each external machine. I much prefer the way Fxteleport works. Totally seamless. instantiate the synth and it shows up in Sonar just like any other.




Hello pianodano,  
I looked up what you have mentioned , the FX teleport look good …I'm on Win 8 ..oh well….
thanks …
 
Sir Les
Wow, Just what I am trying to ,or going to do....here sort of.
 
Midi control, master /sync/slave the other...and a mixer, and wires to ins and outs ...busses, and such help also, is the way I think I know will work today.?..As it sort of did in past era of ages...midi is powerful when you know how to use it....
 
it has been around for as long as the computer has....so I guess it works now?....lol
 
Some info...
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/963610-cheap-way-sync-2-computers-together.html
 
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct07/articles/protools_1007.htm
 
 
 
Best wishes!
 
.




Hello Sir Les, 
 
sure , what the OP is asking in the link you provided is pretty much along the lines of what I'm asking about here…
my situation in a nut shell is I want to use SONAR and Logic together …that's about the main difference… 
 
Yeah , it looks like I'm gonna have to go old school midi by figuring out a  routing system and leaving my home set up like that …
thanks , 
 
jsg
kennywtelejazz
Hello Forum ,
 
I've been toying around with asking this question for a very long time …
the short story is ,
I'm running two main computers over here , one is a Win 8 running X3 as my primary DAW ….
the other is an I Mac running  Logic pro and a number of other OXS based DAW's …
both of these computers have their own usb sound cards …
 
with the Win 8 and the I Mac I've done everything I can to have all my 3rd party plugs and synths available on both machines  
 
I find myself having to work as if I'm doing a collab with a bunch of different people ..all whom, that are using different DAW's …
learning OMF , writing music doing stems across multiple platforms and little work arounds have exposed a few new tricks to this old dog , but man file management and keeping track of things is killing me …lol that in itself is becoming a major RUB….
 
I'm interested in hearing how some of you guys may have treated or used your DAW or an extra computer as a virtual rack-mount unit of external gear while running it back into SONAR ….
 
you know …..synths , plugs , ….. bringing it out of one box into another so you can treat it as if you are doing a live analog take  tweaked in real time …..
 
anybody doing this type of thing here ? if you are please chime in ….what will i need to do or learn to make this happen …
 
 
thank you in advance , 
 
Kenny 
 
 
disclaimer ….in keeping w the End User Agreement …I'm not looking to run 2 instances of SONAR simultaneously ….
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




 
My setup has been the same for a long time.  I run Sonar on a Win 7 machine with 16GB of RAM and 2 hard drives.  All of the samples, MIDI and WAV files are on the 2nd drive, Sonar, the OS, plugins and Sound Forge and CD Architect are on the 1st drive.
 
My second machine is dedicated to one purpose:  Running the VSL complete library, that's the only thing it's used for.  This machine also runs Win7 and has 24GB of RAM.  I can load well over 250,000 samples at once.  The two machines are connected via MIDI (input to VSL), ADAT (digital output to the Yamaha DM2000 mixing board), and Ethernet (for sharing files). 
 
That's my setup, here is the latest symphonic movement completed with this setup:
www.jerrygerber.com/symphony9.htm
 
Best,
Jerry




Hello Jerry  
 
Yes , I'm very happy you chimed in  
my current computer set up = a placeholder set up …
it is good enough for me to get a taste of what could be , and a good place for me to learn .
 
thank you for posting your specs …
I find it encouraging to know that if I was ever able to make the jump from the kiddie section of the pool 
by getting the right compatible hardware and software that someday I may be able to approach the music i do with the complexity and sonic textures you have so amply put forth in your music …your music sounds real .
 
the hardware end of things may do able if I can generate more income …
the talent end of things , 
Oh well …in my case it may beyond human help … , but hey , when has that ever stopped anybody lol…
 
I have listened to some of your music , including the link you provided… your music is absolutely fantastic …
 
thank you , 
 
Kenny
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