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2018/03/26 19:06:59
InstrEd
JohanSebatianGremlin
Anderton
JohanSebatianGremlin
Thank you Meng, you hit the nail on the head. I've no reason to trust your word yet and I don't. But that can change once words turn into actions.



You obviously have not researched who Meng is, and what he has accomplished so far in addition to BandLab. He is a doer and he has proven that with his actions. 
 
He's too modest to go through all that here. The facts speak for themselves for those who bother to look them up.


I've read up on him. Still skeptical.


 
I'm actually curious what direction Bandlab is going to take the rebranded DAW.
I have got a few different DAW's for the crossgrade price and I'm glad I did. It has widened my horizon.
Each has strengths and weaknesses.
2018/03/26 19:07:14
JohanSebatianGremlin
sharke
So if the answers aren't given in any of the stickies or countless other threads which talk about the same thing, what makes you think they'll magically appear in this one?

I have no idea if the answers are given in the countless of threads because... wait for it. There are so many of them, they are, in your own words, countless. I tried to pick my way through them and what I found was mostly posts saying 'hooray we're saved'.

Yeah shame on me for not taking hours out of my day to read them all and sort through all the 'thank god you save us' responses to find actual nuggets of fact. So yeah, I figured I'd just ask those who have been following along closely what was known because the answers seemed to be, as you've described, spread all over the forum and buried in 'countless' threads.

But as I said earlier, creating this thread did indeed produce a meaningful answer that has helped me understand this situation. My thanks to all who helped to clarify what is currently known.

And if I've pissed you off by making this thread well, sorry. Feel free to lock it/block it/block me/delete it/kick me out. Whatever you feel is justified for the horrible crimes I seem to have committed today.
2018/03/26 19:14:12
35mm
Your question is "What do we know?" You get lots of answers and respond to them all negatively and by saying you are still sceptical. Um, ok. This thread wasn't a pointless waste of time then!
2018/03/26 19:17:18
JohanSebatianGremlin
It helped me and I've said that. If you don't like the way it played out then I guess I'm just a bad person. Sorry.
2018/03/26 19:17:53
msmcleod
I think 35mm more or less covered it all, but I do get the feeling that a lot of people don't quite get how good a match Sonar is for Bandlab (and vice versa).

Firstly, I don't think for a minute that Sonar in its form will be much different from what we've seen - however if I may speculate...

Sonar (and formally Cakewalk Pro-Audio) as we know has been somewhat of an underdog in the industry, and despite boasting a full set of features compared to its competition, has never quite won over the Pro Tools / Logic / Cubase crowd.

This to my mind has been a major stumbling block to collaboration with other musicians, and ultimately taking your work into the studio - where invariably they'll be using Pro Tools, and might have a copy of Cubase knocking about. This, and probably the lack of a Mac version, has no doubt had an impact on sales.

Bandlab on the other hand, is a collaboration platform with a multi-platform/mobile DAW (albeit fairly basic).

I see Sonar (probably very soon) having tighter integration with the Bandlab "platform", and by that I mean the whole eco-system, not just the DAW. This gives Bandlab the chance to offer collaboration for the pro's - both between musicians, and between musicians and studios/producers. It also exposes Sonar to millions of existing Bandlab users and gives them a fantastic upgrade path from the Bandlab DAW, and a new revenue stream for Bandlab.
 
It would be great to be able to navigate Bandlab projects directly from Sonar, fork them, upload them back to the cloud, get notifications of comments, parts being edited / added / mastered etc, and being able to immediately get the updates and continue working on my songs.

Now I appreciate that the way more amateur musicians collaborate is different to how many of us may want to collaborate - personally, I am pretty picky about who I want to collaborate with, and I'm very picky about what goes into my songs. However, Meng and his team seem extremely open to suggestions and I'm sure the Bandlab platform will evolve to accomodate how pro's/semi-pro's operate much in the way they've already done for the education side.

Even if the Bandlab community side doesn't interest you, the fact that it offers not just a lifeline, but a huge opportunity for the expansion of Sonar's user-base should give all of us some comfort that Sonar's future is far more secure.

M.


2018/03/26 19:32:48
FullBug2
JohanSebatianGremlin
It helped me and I've said that. If you don't like the way it played out then I guess I'm just a bad person. Sorry.


Can't say if you're a bad person, or not. What I can say: you're a very whiny individual.
2018/03/26 19:34:31
JohanSebatianGremlin
FullBug2
JohanSebatianGremlin
It helped me and I've said that. If you don't like the way it played out then I guess I'm just a bad person. Sorry.


Can't say if you're a bad person, or not. What I can say: you're a very whiny individual.

Understood. Thank you for that.
2018/03/26 19:45:04
InstrEd
JohanSebatianGremlin
FullBug2
JohanSebatianGremlin
It helped me and I've said that. If you don't like the way it played out then I guess I'm just a bad person. Sorry.


Can't say if you're a bad person, or not. What I can say: you're a very whiny individual.

Understood. Thank you for that.


I think you can't be too bad. You got an adorable Avatar
Yes I'm an animal lover.
2018/03/26 21:18:08
astaub
"The sonar that you know and love - the program, as it is today and everything was connected - is clearly not profitable"
 
I do not believe that. I only believe that Lifetime was no longer profitable. It was marketing not the product itself, as well as a parent company that has over $ 200 million in debt  (not from sonar) - maybe even too much for meng, if interested in the guitars brand.
2018/03/26 22:32:36
tlw
Sonar had been loss-making under Cakewalk, then Roland, then Gibson. With the annual losses getting bigger and bigger, and pre-dating the “lifetime” offer.

This is the situation when Roland sold Cakewalk. https://www.roland.com/Ro.../pdf/2013/20130924.pdf

I think Sonar was (is??) the best Windows DAW, and though I’m now Mac-based I’d like to see Sonar live on - and a proper Mac version would be the icing on the cake. I’ve never really understood why Sonar didn’t make huge inroads into that market because it was better than it’s usually more expensive competitors. Well, Live excepted, if you need to do what only Live does.
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