I agree with you scook!
But I like to mention that somehow with this deal the contract for LTU has changed without involving the customers and I just wonder if this is legal in the U.S.?

There is no agreement when followed with a "but."
This is not a legal forum. Why try to make it one? That is a fool's errand.

marled
First of all there are 3 companies involved: Cakewalk, Gibson, BandLab.
 

Gibson owns Cakewalk. In order for the IP assets to be acquired Gibson was well aware of that. Simple.
 
So now there is only one company "involved" in the promise of LTU. Cakewalk. A dead company (no store, no company) Simple.
 
Do I wish that BandLab will continue LTU's for those that purchased it? Yes I do. But I'm pretty sure I have no legal basis to demand that they do.
 
What BandLab will do is wht they will do. If you're unhappy once the roll out happens you don't have to stay, you can move on.
 
Would I wish that BandLab or Cakewak give out a unlock code for the stagnate Cakewalk products? Yes, but that is a legal question that only BandLab or Gibson can answer. Do I wish that the unlock code is an IP asset that BandLab purchased? Yes.  
 

marled
2nd as far as I know the company Cakewalk is not yet closed, only further development of their products.
 

No store, no company. No IP assets, no SONAR Platinum, no LTU. Simple.
 
May Cakewalk bounces back with things like plugs and VSTi offerings only, after all dust settles. But they certainly won't bounce back with SONAR Platinum (or any variant thereof I suspect).
 

marled
3rd I doubt if a company has tax debts that they can simply sell all their inventory to another company and then nobody must pay those old tax debts. It is not that simple, that's what I understand even if I am no lawyer!!!

BandLab bought the IP, not the responsibilities/operation of Cakewalk, which is owned by Gibson, which in turn is still responsible for the tax debt. Simple.
 
BTW, I'm sure you know that "doubt" is also not a legal concept; glad you stated you're not a lawyer.

marled

pwalpwal
in the EU i think you could get yr money back under consumer laws were you such inclined

Dream on!

Best Answer
 

Anytime the participants in this thread would like to discuss how to use SONAR instead of contracts, sales and other legal issues would be fine by me (in another thread of course).

scook
There is no agreement when followed with a "but."
This is not a legal forum. Why try to make it one? That is a fool's errand.

I know there are many in this forum that think people like me are idiots. But I just try to understand, probably a bit more dogged than others!
 
You said "Without discussing the legal status of the purchases". I have agreed under this premise. So the "But" sentence concerns the legal aspect only!

BJZ
BTW, I'm sure you know that "doubt" is also not a legal concept; glad you stated you're not a lawyer.

LOL, reading your comment above I surely understand you're either no lawyer!

Let me offer a different translation of this post

marled
I agree with you scook!
But I like to mention that somehow with this deal the contract for LTU has changed without involving the customers and I just wonder if this is legal in the U.S.?

it goes as follows
Yeah, I don't care about what you wrote...here is the important stuff
and then proceed to talk about the important "legal" stuff. Stuff that is not part of this forums charter.
 
This is not a legal forum and few here are lawyers. There must be better place to pursue legal opinions. I make no judgement about intelligence or any other personal trait just suggest that the forum be used as intended and seek the appropriate place for answers on other subjects.

I purchased a lifetime membership the very day they were offered. I reasoned to myself that even if it only lasted a year or two it was a good deal. Unfortunately, it indeed only lasted a short time but it was indeed still a good deal.
 

marled
 
First of all there are 3 companies involved: Cakewalk, Gibson, BandLab.
2nd as far as I know the company Cakewalk is not yet closed, only further development of their products.
3rd I doubt if a company has tax debts that they can simply sell all their inventory to another company and then nobody must pay those old tax debts. It is not that simple, that's what I understand even if I am no lawyer!!!

Yes, it pretty much is. If you buy a toaster and the company that made it goes out of business, the company that buys the machinery from the factory in a bankruptcy liquidation sale is not obligated to honor your toaster's warranty, even if that company commits to start making toasters with that equipment sometime in the future.
 
Cakewalk, alas, is gone. Sadly, the only entity on this earth that was obligated to honor the lifetime membership commitment is no more. That said, if the company actually still exists on paper somewhere in the dank bowels of Gibson, your gripe is with them. However, you can be sure that a team of lawyers and MBA's are busily gutting Cakewalk's cadaver for whatever they can get for the parts and the death certificate will be forthcoming in short order. Good luck with getting them to honor anything.
 
Clearly there are many members still going through the grieving process. Denial is a natural part of the grief experience, so I'm inclined to let them vent. I have also grieved and have moved on, and I still think the lifetime updates purchase was a good deal.
 

scook
it goes as follows
Yeah, I don't care about what you wrote...here is the important stuff
and then proceed to talk about the important "legal" stuff. Stuff that is not part of this forums charter.
 

No, that was absolutely not my intention! I quit!