2018/03/22 21:45:33
revnice1
My singers always ask me if they can hear more of their voice when singing, so I bought the Mackie Mix 5.
 
There's one manual for 3 models and hookups are not shown for the Mix 5. In this diagram, which shows the Mix 8, there are two players and a singer hooked up, the whole thing is balanced in the mixer and sent to the computer.
https://ibb.co/dST74c
 
Which is not what I'm trying to get. I want the singer to hear more of himself.
 
If the music and the mic go into the mixer, you can control how much of each you hear - but the outputs will bring that mix back to the computer and I'll end up with a vocal track that also contains the music.
 
If I leave the mic in the MOTU interface and send just the music to the mixer, how does the singer hear both sources on one set of headphones. 
Do I have the right device for this?
 
Thanks - rev
 
2018/03/22 23:29:34
tecknot
From what little I can glean from the Mackie website for the Mix5, you are very limited with what you can do as far as sending out a separate mix to your singer.  It appears that you cannot create a separate mix at all and there seems to be only one single output as far as a mix is concerned (both Main outs and headphones sharing the same mix).  The only workaround I can see is if you were to use a stereo DI splitter for the mic (or stereo preamp) and pan the balance to a preferred volume to one side.  Then take the output of the DI with the lower volume into the Mix5's mic input (you can compensate for the lower volume with the mixer's gain pot) and the louder output (with an appropriate RCA adapters for the) into the Tape input for the headphones.  This is something I would have done back in the day with limited resources.  This isn't ideal, but it might be good enough to satisfy your singer.  Sorry but that's the best I can think of.
 
Kind regards,
 
tecknot
2018/03/22 23:55:05
chuckebaby
Didn't you ask the same exact question 5 weeks ago ?
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Best-way-to-connect-submixer-m3730091.aspx#3730228
 
You need to create a submix using the outputs on your MOTU (a stereo mix to 2 channels on the Mixer and a VOX mix to one channel).
 
what
If the music and the mic go into the mixer, you can control how much of each you hear - but the outputs will bring that mix back to the computer and I'll end up with a vocal track that also contains the music.

 
Im not sure why on earth you would bring the mixers outputs back to the MOTU for recording.
The microphone for VOX should be the only thing you are concerned with and that should be the mic going directly into the MOTU for direct recording.
At no point would I use the Mic Pres on that little mixer for recording. your MOTU's pre amps are 1000 times better.
The mixer should essentially be just a device for a sub mix and not put in the recording path at all.
2018/03/23 00:04:48
revnice1
>Didn't you ask the same exact question 5 weeks ago ?
Yes I did, but I didn't get anywhere and I put it aside (for 5 weeks).
Now that I'm sitting down to the task again, I'm not getting anywhere again. I can't get past the fact that the main outs carry all the sounds that went in. The vocal track would include the music the singer is listening to.
Sure, you can put in different sources and control the the mix between them all, but you can't get JUST the vocal out. I think I just bought another doorstop.
2018/03/23 00:08:01
revnice1
>I'm not sure why on earth you would bring the mixers outputs back to the MOTU for recording.
I don't want to and I'm not trying to, the Makie sounds like ****. I leave the mic in the MOTU and send music to the mixer but how does the singer hear both sources?
2018/03/23 00:16:27
msmcleod
I'm assuming your MOTU has more than just a stereo out here, but the way to do it is:
 
MOTU Output 1 & 2 (Main outputs) -> your monitors
MOTU Output 3 & 4 -> your Mix5 mixer (with your singer's headphones plugged into it)
 
Create a separate bus within Sonar, and set it's output to MOTU Outputs 3 & 4.
 
You can then send anything you want to that bus, whilst adjusting the level of each instrument (i.e. louder vocals) without affecting the main mix.
 
If you've not got separate outs on the MOTU, then that's what you need.
 
M.
2018/03/23 00:20:21
revnice1
M:
That sounds hopeful! I do have a ton of spare INs and OUTs on the MOTU.
I'll give it a shot and post back. 
 
Thanks - rev
2018/03/23 00:22:36
msmcleod
If you've got more outputs, you could send the vocals on an additional MOTU output, and connect that to the Mix5 as well - that way your singer can adjust the levels themselves directly on the Mix5.
 
M.
2018/03/23 00:25:07
revnice1
So in the above config, I wouldn't need to create a bus in Sonar?
2018/03/23 00:35:11
gswitz
Hey there. Interesting idea, giving the singer control over their own relative to the mix. :-)
 
You can send the stereo pair of outputs from your Motu to the mixer.
Send the vocals direct out to another input on the mixer.
 
The singer can listen to headphones plugged into the mixer and raise and lower faders to get the mix she likes best.
 
I don't see why this wouldn't work just fine.
 
I'm tempted to say more, but I'm going to stop here.
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