has the gapless audio train also left the station?

AndertonIf someone likes Sonar's workflow but wants a program with heavy-duty notation, then they need to make a choice. Some may stick with Sonar because as one user just posted, he used to work with notation but has since found the piano roll superior for his needs. They might choose to rewire a program like Notion, or block out in a notation-oriented program then import into Sonar for mixing. People have different needs and choose the options that meet their needs the best...as they should.
 
For Cakewalk, the returns of implementing a fancy staff view are not commensurate with the resources needed to implement it. I can print out lead sheets; if I need engraving quality (e.g., for musical examples in books) no DAW really does the job anyway. I'm probably fairly typical. Heavy-duty notation is just not that important to the majority of Sonar users, based not on anecdotal evidence but on a statistically valid sampling of the user base. The lack of interest also indicate that if it was implemented, a major (and expensive) marketing effort would be needed to convince people who are using existing notation-friendly programs to switch. There's no guarantee that would be successful, and unless Sonar attracted a whole bunch of new users because of implementing notation, then it's really not worth the resources.

I can't really argue with this - it's all about appropriate use of resources.... I still wish someone would create a hybrid "Staff Roll" like this:
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I just think the piano roll is so limited in easily seeing the "Y axis".    If you know staff spacing this is so easy to see the note relationships.  Buchla did it along time ago ....  Of course for anyone wanting "print out" of staff this is useless.
 

 
But I realize the resources spent on this would not be appropriate...  still, would be cool.  (IMHO)
 

People who want really good scoring use Sibelius, not Cubase or a.n.other DAW (even in the US where Finale is generally a more popular application): I'm talking music score/book publishers by the way.  There's little point trying to compete with Sibelius (back catalogs, online functionality etc).

lawp
has the gapless audio train also left the station?

As you may have noticed it keeps improving incrementally. Don't know when/if it will ever be totally gapless.

I treat Sonar as though it had a gapless audio engine. 99% of the time it chugs along just fine while I add/delete effects or mash other buttons. IT seems way better now than it's ever been. I'm a fan of incremental continuous improvement.

I personally need time to absorb all the features I currently have at my disposal with X3e. Every time I am at a crossroads with upgrading, it's more for the extras, like AD and Nomad and for keeping current support wise than for general core enhancements. I look back at Cakewalk when it was more or less just a midi sequencer, and think " Wow, this far this fast". I'm content with X3 right now. A game changer would probably slow me down more than help. That being said, if the Matrix could make me learn Kung Fu or dodge bullets, I might have to rethink my position.

Hmm Interesting ....  Simple notation improvement which would cause no £ at all... Just give me back my note value icons!!!  ...Ben Staton added into his free program Sonar Plus years back and he was hired by cakewalk!..
 
There have been interesting moves in the notation sector which shouldn't be ignored..
 
When avid dumped the UK based Sibelius team they were snapped by Steinberg and are currently creating a new notation package. Presonus (studio 1) bought Notion and it will be interesting to see if it is implemented in studio 1 in future.
 
What would be a hypothetical idea is to make a deal with the "Finale" guys..... they could develop a 'ARA' type score view feature. Would make sense for them and also shore up a problem area for cakewalk. I would pay extra for that sort of feature. 
 
By now I'm sure everyone doesn't expect a music publishing app... but a better score view midi editor...   drum maps already exist in sonar and could be exploited to create articulations (keyswitches) for sample libraries.  
 
Anyhow ... X3 is great... 

 
 
My vote would go for a few simple, yet extremely helpful, GUI enhancements:
 

1. Near and around minimum Track Height, both the Take Lines and Automation Lanes icons disappear completely, as per this example where Track 5 is minimised:
   
   
   
   When you stretch out the Track Panes horizontally, all the other 'hidden' stuff starts to reappear. Only the Take/Automation Lane icons stay hidden.
   
   Could these very useful (and oft used by me) icons please remain in view when a track is minimised.
   
   
2. I very rarely use the Browser, and even less frequently the Multidock.
   
   Please could we at least have the option not to show them at all in their collapsed state. They could easily be made visible again using the appropriate keyboard shortcuts, or from the Views menu.
   
   I just cannot understand the logic of having them on screen when they're closed.
   
   I even made a quick animation to show how passionate I am about this:
   
   
   
   
3. Please could you make the Control Bar scrollable horizontally?
   
   Much as the Inspector can be scrolled vertically without the need for scroll handles, could we not have a scrollable Control Bar?
   
   It is quite the pain to have to go through all the rigmarole of making a hidden Module visible, and then hiding it again, when it could quickly be slid into view with the scroll wheel on the mouse.
   
   I've considered using Screenshots, but I don't use them either.
   
   I can't be arsed to make an animation of a scrolling Control Bar, but here's a bit of artistic motion blur to give the impression of a seldom used Module whizzing into view:
   
   

 
 
Thanks in advance.
 
 

1) While waiting there are keyboard shortcuts SHIFT+A for automation lanes and SHIFT+T for track lanes
2) The browser can be killed by undocking it and closing the window. This can be saved in a project template for future use. To kill the mutltidock at this time requires Duckbar.

Elffin
 
What would be a hypothetical idea is to make a deal with the "Finale" guys.....  

 
Man, I was thinking the same thing when Avid bought Sibelius! If Cake could make a deal with Finale for some better notaion software functionality that is better than what is currently available in SONAR (and that's sorta integrated into SONAR), that would be extremely good stuff!
 
But whatever happens, I still love me some SONAR.