• SONAR
  • Is it even possible to top X 3's performance and features when X 4 comes out ? (p.8)
2014/10/21 22:45:10
thomasabarnes
"Please could you make the Control Bar scrollable horizontally?"
 
Now, that's a good idea. I'm all for this. Then, all the modules could be easily available.
2014/10/22 00:19:34
pbognar
Elffin
Hmm Interesting ....  Simple notation improvement which would cause no £ at all... Just give me back my note value icons!!!  ...Ben Staton added into his free program Sonar Plus years back and he was hired by cakewalk!..
 
There have been interesting moves in the notation sector which shouldn't be ignored..
 
When avid dumped the UK based Sibelius team they were snapped by Steinberg and are currently creating a new notation package. Presonus (studio 1) bought Notion and it will be interesting to see if it is implemented in studio 1 in future.
 
What would be a hypothetical idea is to make a deal with the "Finale" guys..... they could develop a 'ARA' type score view feature. Would make sense for them and also shore up a problem area for cakewalk. I would pay extra for that sort of feature. 
 
By now I'm sure everyone doesn't expect a music publishing app... but a better score view midi editor...   drum maps already exist in sonar and could be exploited to create articulations (keyswitches) for sample libraries.  
 
Anyhow ... X3 is great... 




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Yes, this ----
 
No music publishing.  No bloated notation with a thousand symbols.  Just fix the last of the few limitations of the otherwise great SV.  Oh, and the Ben Staton improvements.
 
Honest, I don't want hordes of Cakewalk resources developing a new notation subsystem.  I'd rather have them implementing the real-time latency-free polyphonic guitar to MIDI feature.  ;-)
 
But whatever is said is pointless, because whether X4 is coming yet this year, or early next year, features have long been set.
 
2014/10/22 06:12:51
Geo524
As far as improvements are concerned for me the list is short, but I would like to see a dedicated mastering/arrange suite similar to what Studio One has. Being able to do some fine tuning and arrangement of songs for an album would be a major plus in my book.
 
The second thing would be improvements to Audiosnap. Not only fixing it so that it works consistently but also making it easier to use. That said I don't use it often but when I do I always have to find my way around it again. Of course if none of the above never happens I still remain a very happy Sonar user.
 
2014/10/22 06:26:40
Karyn
There are some really great ideas in this thread,  but it would be better if they were posted as actual feature requests in the Features & Ideas forum so we can discuss each one in detail and vote for it.
2014/10/22 06:30:34
SvenArne
+1 to a wholly new AudioSnap. One that's not as likely to insidiously fudge your whole crap up if you're not paying attention editing multitrack drums.
 
Furthermore, while I don't use the staff view much myself, I feel it's the Staff View People's turn to a bone thrown to them this time around. SONAR is a Music Composition and Production package after all, and proper functioning notation tools should be provided IMO.
 
Sven
2014/10/22 11:27:39
thomasabarnes
Concerning AudioSnap: I think Cakewalk went with Melodyne as a replacement for AudioSnap (or is that a V Vocal replacement)? In the X3 advertisment, they even refer to Melodyne as "...the best pitch correction, time stretching, and audio to MIDI conversion in the business." So if you use Audiosnap for any of those editing functions, it looks like it's likely AudioSnap wont be updated in those functionalities. It's somewhat annoying how we would have to upgrade to Melodyne Editor to get the really good Melodyne functionality, but I guess Cake had to make some kind of deal to get Melodyne integrated into SONAR.
 
I guess I can deal withw incremental improvements toward a totally gapless audio engine. I hardly use Notation myself, but I feel sorry for the SONAR users who have been asking for improvements in the Staff View for years. I hope Cakewalk can help them out some way.
 
EDIT: OK I'm wrong. It's V Vocal that does some of the things that Melodyne does. So, I guess there may be hope for improvements in AudioSnap.
2014/10/22 13:17:49
SvenArne
thomasabarnes
Concerning AudioSnap: I think Cakewalk went with Melodyne as a replacement for AudioSnap (or is that a V Vocal replacement)? In the X3 advertisment, they even refer to Melodyne as "...the best pitch correction, time stretching, and audio to MIDI conversion in the business." So if you use Audiosnap for any of those editing functions, it looks like it's likely AudioSnap wont be updated in those functionalities.


But you can't edit multitracked drums with Melodyne!
 
2014/10/22 13:47:33
bluzdog
SvenArne
thomasabarnes
Concerning AudioSnap: I think Cakewalk went with Melodyne as a replacement for AudioSnap (or is that a V Vocal replacement)? In the X3 advertisment, they even refer to Melodyne as "...the best pitch correction, time stretching, and audio to MIDI conversion in the business." So if you use Audiosnap for any of those editing functions, it looks like it's likely AudioSnap wont be updated in those functionalities.


But you can't edit multitracked drums with Melodyne!
 


Yes and no. You can separate drums based on timing i.e. the kick hits on 1 and 3, and select those hits for editing and/or exporting as midi. You can lower the amplitude of a kick or snare in OH's pretty easily. It's not as intuitive polyphonic mode on other sources but it's functional. It's takes some work sorting parts out but it can be done.
 
Rocky
 
2014/10/22 13:53:47
SvenArne
bluzdog
Yes and no. You can separate drums based on timing i.e. the kick hits on 1 and 3, and select those hits for editing and/or exporting as midi. You can lower the amplitude of a kick or snare in OH's pretty easily. It's not as intuitive polyphonic mode on other sources but it's functional. It's takes some work sorting parts out but it can be done.



Well yeah, but you can't time-stretch multiple audio tracks simultaneously they way we do with Audiosnap, Beat Detective/Elastic Audio and similar! AudioSnap is an essential SONAR feature for me, but you really gotta be careful and know what you're doing lest you totally mess up the phase relationship between the tracks!
2014/10/22 15:29:52
epytryga
hmm..something like Cubase's "Chord Track" would be a cool addition
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