michael diemer
Folks, I'm doing you a favor here...

Always be wary of people doing you an unasked for favour... but at least it saved me from having to read the rest of the post.
 
My boat's in dry dock having barnacles scraped off the hull.

The Grim
sonar doesn't have ripple editing, reaper has had it for years . . . so what?
 
i use studio one, i find it's ara integration to be superior . . . so what?
 
all this is by the by
 
you can still do what you want, it may take different paths, i never found anything i wanted to do in reaper that i couldn't accomplish, and it maybe what is considered a 'workaround', but one can't sneer at work around's especially sonar users
 
here is what i originally wrote for the above post, but decided not to post, it's not meant to be inflammatory or anything, and no disrespect to your good self, just how i see it.
 

chuckebaby


notation features (hoping someday they add more to it) you would be in the same boat as you are here with sonar.

i would disagree, the 'boats' are completely different, for all intents and purposes cakewalks/sonars notation is dead in the water, on the other hand reapers is alive and vibrant, being actively and vigorously improved upon and added to, big difference.


as to your issue with not being able to do certain things in reaper, well in my experience that may not be down to reaper not being able to do it, but you not knowing how to achieve it in reaper. sure there maybe things, (just examples) you may say drum replacement, mix recall etc. but all these things can be done in reaper, you may need a plugin (essentially drum replacer is a plugin built into sonar, perhaps not literally, but ykwim) mix recall (i tried mix recall way back, to me it's next to useless because it is just to slow, among other things, if it were hit the button/done, then ok, but for me i'll do it another way if need be), well there are ways you can achieve the same thing in reaper or almost any other daw, sure it would be via a 'workaround', but you can't go poo pooing something for being a workaround (not that you are, just speaking generally), especially being a sonar user with the myriad of workarounds required within sonar to make things work that should work but don't, lets face there are many, and look at the fridays tip of the week thread for examples of 'workarounds' for sonar to achieve things it can't otherwise, that other daw's can.


reaper is not my main daw, neither is sonar, but from my experience reaper is one of the most powerful daw's around, if not the most powerful, it's just that stuff may not be immediately obvious to the user, as it were, or as it may be perceived, hidden away in some menu or some dusty corner etc, which in itself may rightly be considered a failing, but then again look at how many times people are told here that they should learn how to use sonar correctly, well same thing there, fair is fair. but don't make the mistake of underestimating reapers power.


i don't care about who makes what daw, am not emotionally attached to a daw, or a company, or a forum, i don't owe any daw or company anything, they owe me nothing except for giving me what i payed for, if another daw pops up tomorrow which rings my bell more than what i currently use i'm there. switching daw's for the most part is a breeze, you are up and running immediately, somethings you may need to lookup, learn as you go, but it doesn't take long. lifes to short to be stuck with something second rate
 
 

on the topic of notation, and to go with the 'boat' analogy, sonars notation/staff view is like a ship adrift on the dead sea, floating around listlessly, surrounded by pyramids and ancient civilizations, as apposed to reapers which is sailing full speed ahead across the atlantic to the brave new world 

im going to bow out of this thread now and its not because I don't have a reply, but more.. this thread was never about Reaper. I feel partially to blame for replying. Which is now getting away from the original topic (Staff view). In the past I have been unsympathetic towards SV users but in recent, I respect their way of working just like every man/women works.


My personal opinion, reaper cant do what I want it to do (again, my personal opinion) and if it could.. I would be on their forum right now.

 Notation editors are better for publishing.  It's much easier to sketch parts in a DAW. 
 
 
 
 
 

kitekrazy1
 Notation editors are better for publishing.  It's much easier to sketch parts in a DAW. 
  

Why is it so hard for people to see this. I don't want Sonar to become Finale.That is why I have Finale.
I just need it to be able to
display the staff view properly.
 

Wibbles

michael diemer
Folks, I'm doing you a favor here...

Always be wary of people doing you an unasked for favour... but at least it saved me from having to read the rest of the post.
 
My boat's in dry dock having barnacles scraped off the hull.

Man overboard!

Carlo Celuque
Have you tried to edit a note outside the clefs lines? It is a nightmare! You have to find a secret place somewhere near the head of a note in order to open the edit window option.

That issue was fixed a year or so ago, maybe even longer.  Not sure why you're still experiencing it.
The current, in my opinion, the most discouraging MIDI bug is that the paste-special function doesn't work over the past 5 or 6 versions.  That is why I am using 22.7, that's the last version where it's not broken. 
 
I cannot take advantage of the start playback during the middle of a long note unless I am willing to put up with paste-special not working right.  It's not merely a staff view bug, it happens in the event list and, I assume in the PRV as well.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

chuckebaby

The Grim
sonar doesn't have ripple editing, reaper has had it for years . . . so what?
 
i use studio one, i find it's ara integration to be superior . . . so what?
 
all this is by the by
 
you can still do what you want, it may take different paths, i never found anything i wanted to do in reaper that i couldn't accomplish, and it maybe what is considered a 'workaround', but one can't sneer at work around's especially sonar users
 
here is what i originally wrote for the above post, but decided not to post, it's not meant to be inflammatory or anything, and no disrespect to your good self, just how i see it.
 

chuckebaby


notation features (hoping someday they add more to it) you would be in the same boat as you are here with sonar.

i would disagree, the 'boats' are completely different, for all intents and purposes cakewalks/sonars notation is dead in the water, on the other hand reapers is alive and vibrant, being actively and vigorously improved upon and added to, big difference.


as to your issue with not being able to do certain things in reaper, well in my experience that may not be down to reaper not being able to do it, but you not knowing how to achieve it in reaper. sure there maybe things, (just examples) you may say drum replacement, mix recall etc. but all these things can be done in reaper, you may need a plugin (essentially drum replacer is a plugin built into sonar, perhaps not literally, but ykwim) mix recall (i tried mix recall way back, to me it's next to useless because it is just to slow, among other things, if it were hit the button/done, then ok, but for me i'll do it another way if need be), well there are ways you can achieve the same thing in reaper or almost any other daw, sure it would be via a 'workaround', but you can't go poo pooing something for being a workaround (not that you are, just speaking generally), especially being a sonar user with the myriad of workarounds required within sonar to make things work that should work but don't, lets face there are many, and look at the fridays tip of the week thread for examples of 'workarounds' for sonar to achieve things it can't otherwise, that other daw's can.


reaper is not my main daw, neither is sonar, but from my experience reaper is one of the most powerful daw's around, if not the most powerful, it's just that stuff may not be immediately obvious to the user, as it were, or as it may be perceived, hidden away in some menu or some dusty corner etc, which in itself may rightly be considered a failing, but then again look at how many times people are told here that they should learn how to use sonar correctly, well same thing there, fair is fair. but don't make the mistake of underestimating reapers power.


i don't care about who makes what daw, am not emotionally attached to a daw, or a company, or a forum, i don't owe any daw or company anything, they owe me nothing except for giving me what i payed for, if another daw pops up tomorrow which rings my bell more than what i currently use i'm there. switching daw's for the most part is a breeze, you are up and running immediately, somethings you may need to lookup, learn as you go, but it doesn't take long. lifes to short to be stuck with something second rate
 
 

on the topic of notation, and to go with the 'boat' analogy, sonars notation/staff view is like a ship adrift on the dead sea, floating around listlessly, surrounded by pyramids and ancient civilizations, as apposed to reapers which is sailing full speed ahead across the atlantic to the brave new world 

im going to bow out of this thread now and its not because I don't have a reply, but more.. this thread was never about Reaper. I feel partially to blame for replying. Which is now getting away from the original topic (Staff view). In the past I have been unsympathetic towards SV users but in recent, I respect their way of working just like every man/women works.


My personal opinion, reaper cant do what I want it to do (again, my personal opinion) and if it could.. I would be on their forum right now.

What can't Reaper do that you want it to do?

jsg

chuckebaby
im going to bow out of this thread now and its not because I don't have a reply, but more.. this thread was never about Reaper. I feel partially to blame for replying. Which is now getting away from the original topic (Staff view). In the past I have been unsympathetic towards SV users but in recent, I respect their way of working just like every man/women works.
 
My personal opinion, reaper cant do what I want it to do (again, my personal opinion) and if it could.. I would be on their forum right now.

What can't Reaper do that you want it to do?

Are you serious ? Did you not read my last comment (The one you just quoted) ?
 
I thought I was polite and sincere in my last comment. Saying "I am bowing out of this thread"
Out of respect to the OP and staff View users" its not fair to them that I (or you) drag this thread down by the changing topic to DAW preference.
 
Its called "High jacking someone else's thread".

InstrEd
 
Why is it so hard for people to see this. I don't want Sonar to become Finale.That is why I have Finale.
I just need it to be able to
display the staff view properly.

 
One of the reasons these threads go on forever is that we have to keep repeating that simple point. 
 
What Sonar really needs is another 64bit vintage tube analog modeled warming classic VCA compressor with presets from some DJ with a catchy name.
 
 

Brett

InstrEd
 
Why is it so hard for people to see this. I don't want Sonar to become Finale.That is why I have Finale.
I just need it to be able to
display the staff view properly.

 
One of the reasons these threads go on forever is that we have to keep repeating that simple point. 

 
That is an opinion that is voiced repeatedly. Repeating an opinion over and over doesn't turn it into a fact. Not everyone shares that particular opinion. My opinion is that there should be efforts to make the gap between DAW and notation much more seamless so that artists can move back and forth between the two worlds as their creative process dictates.  This is something of a Holy Grail, but we do see some meaningful points of convergence (StudioOne and Notion, Dorico and Cubase, e.g.)