chuckebaby

jsg

chuckebaby
im going to bow out of this thread now and its not because I don't have a reply, but more.. this thread was never about Reaper. I feel partially to blame for replying. Which is now getting away from the original topic (Staff view). In the past I have been unsympathetic towards SV users but in recent, I respect their way of working just like every man/women works.
 
My personal opinion, reaper cant do what I want it to do (again, my personal opinion) and if it could.. I would be on their forum right now.

What can't Reaper do that you want it to do?

Are you serious ? Did you not read my last comment (The one you just quoted) ?
 
I thought I was polite and sincere in my last comment. Saying "I am bowing out of this thread"
Out of respect to the OP and staff View users" its not fair to them that I (or you) drag this thread down by the changing topic to DAW preference.
 
Its called "High jacking someone else's thread".

Sorry, no offense meant, I didn't read your entire post.  But I just did read it in its entirety and I still don't see what Reaper cannot do that you want it to.  Replying would be very helpful to me as I am considering dumping Sonar and learning Reaper now that it has notation...
 
Sincerely,
Jerry
 

OK,
@ everyone discussing in this fred who uses Reaper for notation
and is wanting Sonar to work like Reaper. .
 
Cakewalk obviously will not fix the staff view.
 
I have a creativ idea for you folks :
 
Use Reaper.
 
kind regards
 

jsg

chuckebaby

jsg

chuckebaby
im going to bow out of this thread now and its not because I don't have a reply, but more.. this thread was never about Reaper. I feel partially to blame for replying. Which is now getting away from the original topic (Staff view). In the past I have been unsympathetic towards SV users but in recent, I respect their way of working just like every man/women works.
 
My personal opinion, reaper cant do what I want it to do (again, my personal opinion) and if it could.. I would be on their forum right now.

What can't Reaper do that you want it to do?

Are you serious ? Did you not read my last comment (The one you just quoted) ?
 
I thought I was polite and sincere in my last comment. Saying "I am bowing out of this thread"
Out of respect to the OP and staff View users" its not fair to them that I (or you) drag this thread down by the changing topic to DAW preference.
 
Its called "High jacking someone else's thread".

Sorry, no offense meant, I didn't read your entire post.  But I just did read it in its entirety and I still don't see what Reaper cannot do that you want it to.  Replying would be very helpful to me as I am considering dumping Sonar and learning Reaper now that it has notation...
 
Sincerely,
Jerry
 

No offense taken. My apology's if I came off as snippety in my last comment.

It appears that this discussion is an "excuse" from Sonar supporters about why the "staff view" can't/won't be fixed, updated or made more usable.  Other DAWs seem to not have this problem but, by all means, please keep telling us that Sonar just can't/won't do what is necessary for a musical program... maybe, if you tell us enough times, we will drink the Kool-Aid and finally feel sorry for Gibson's business issues in trying to make Sonar a real music creation software.  I feel sad for you that you can't get investment capitol on a program you purchased.  I have empathy for your poor software engineers that they can't figure out how to relate simple equations with a graphic in a UI.  It is very horrible that Gibson management bonuses might be affected if some of that money might be spent to offer a quality product.  At least Mr. Anderton offers many work-arounds to get past the problems we users are describing so we can feel all warm inside that you can actually use Sonar to make music (as the official Bartender, if you don't have vodka, just use gin... they are both clear alcohol!)... if you have three times more time available than other DAW users.  Hey, if you are a dedicated artist, why are you complaining about the time necessary to edit a note or delete a hole in a file?  I really feel bad for poor Gibson's inability to fix Sonar and offer the same options that all DAWs offer.  I guess it is our fault, as customers, for demanding so many things to actually work.
 

Can you imagine a word processing program that didn't have a spell checker?  You can still use it but everyone else has a built in dictionary.  I'm sure some car mechanics have a great supply of wrenches but they don't have any screwdrivers.  It is possible to create a great novel, even if you can't read or write.  Crappy staff view in a music program negates how we musicians communicate with each other and do our work.
 

cparmerlee

Brett

InstrEd
 
Why is it so hard for people to see this. I don't want Sonar to become Finale.That is why I have Finale.
I just need it to be able to
display the staff view properly.

 
One of the reasons these threads go on forever is that we have to keep repeating that simple point. 

 
That is an opinion that is voiced repeatedly. Repeating an opinion over and over doesn't turn it into a fact. Not everyone shares that particular opinion. My opinion is that there should be efforts to make the gap between DAW and notation much more seamless so that artists can move back and forth between the two worlds as their creative process dictates.  This is something of a Holy Grail, but we do see some meaningful points of convergence (StudioOne and Notion, Dorico and Cubase, e.g.)
 

Another reason these threads go on forever is argumentative people who don't realise when you're agreeing with them.

The reference (again) to why we don't just get Finale suggests that those who don't use Staff View and do not sympathize with those who would like it improved may not fully understand what is being asked.  There are many ways to use staff view in SONAR.  Preparing final sheet music for performers is not one of them for me.  I do have Finale, Sibelius, Encore, MuseScore, Forte 8, etc.  and I know what to do with them.  I'm also closely watching Music XML for the convergence referred to in a recent post.
 
All I want in SONAR is to be able to edit MIDI quickly without leaving SONAR.  I can read music, and editing in Staff View is the most intuitive way for me to edit MIDI. 
 
Others may have different uses and needs.  I respect that others work differently, and I may not agree or even understand, but that's fine.  Can't we just have a fully-formed tool that allows each user to choose what method works best for them?  It is beyond me why everyone on this forum is not supporting requests to improve this one feature in SONAR that puts the product at a disadvantage.

Well, I suppose the reason we keep on knocking on that door is because Cakewalk actively keeps on asking for our feedback, so here we are! It's important to (many) of us and it's long overdue IMHO
 
To be super fair I have to say this. NO new DAWs offer score writing. I do understand that the new generation's way of writing music doesn't involve weird dots on a bunch if lines and that's all good and nice; by the same token, people might buy Sonar also because it offers score editing (I know I did) not knowing it's badly implemented (I know I didn't). It doesn't matter how much googling you do beforehand; you look at the program as a whole then think "I can live with that, I'll find a way" but the score editor is so rudimental I couldn't possibly have imagined it was so awkward to use.
It's not like I am (we are?) asking to implement a new function. I don't think it's unfair to ask for an already present feature to be developed so that it can be usable! Personally I just need something usable so I can have a quick workflow when I sketch out pop string arrangements. I don't think that's too much to ask, no?
Yes, Reaper got it right, no I'd rather use Sonar
 
Otherwise just kill the score editor altogether so you'll have a couple months' worth of moaners, instead of this neverending stream of complaint.
 
Just my opinion, of course

trtzbass
Well, I suppose the reason we keep on knocking on that door is because Cakewalk actively keeps on asking for our feedback, so here we are! It's important to (many) of us and it's long overdue IMHO
 
To be super fair I have to say this. NO new DAWs offer score writing. I do understand that the new generation's way of writing music doesn't involve weird dots on a bunch if lines and that's all good and nice; by the same token, people might buy Sonar also because it offers score editing (I know I did) not knowing it's badly implemented (I know I didn't). It doesn't matter how much googling you do beforehand; you look at the program as a whole then think "I can live with that, I'll find a way" but the score editor is so rudimental I couldn't possibly have imagined it was so awkward to use.
It's not like I am (we are?) asking to implement a new function. I don't think it's unfair to ask for an already present feature to be developed so that it can be usable! Personally I just need something usable so I can have a quick workflow when I sketch out pop string arrangements. I don't think that's too much to ask, no?
Yes, Reaper got it right, no I'd rather use Sonar
 
Otherwise just kill the score editor altogether so you'll have a couple months' worth of moaners, instead of this neverending stream of complaint.
 
Just my opinion, of course

This is a very good comment. I can respect that. you hit on a lot of good points.
I think this generation seems to want the easiest possible way to do things  (and sometimes not always the smartest way). I do 100% of my midi work in the Piano Roll view. And this is stickily the way I work.
If Cakewalk (in 10 years from now) were to stop supporting or not keeping up on Piano Roll View updates, bugs. exc.. I would feel bothered by this.
 
Even as a little as a year ago, I would read the complaints of Staff view users and scratch my head.
Why, why would you hang on to an outdated feature when newer ways to work are at your hands reach ?
but I learned, that's not for me to judge how others work. It would be the same if Cakewalk let PRV lay to waste, I would be saying, "Hey.. I bought this product for the PRV". So I can respect where you and others are coming from.
 
With all this out and said... I have never let technology leave me behind. Not with Windows OS', Software, Even outboard gear. If some new editing feature was to arise from technology, I would learn it and try my best to master it because there is nothing worse than changes and not being prepared for those changes.
 
I admire your comment, I admire your attitude. you have a good sense of reality, looking at it from both sides.
As I said before, "Here's hoping Cakewalk throws you guys a bone and makes some fixes to SV.
 
 
 

trtzbass
It's not like I am (we are?) asking to implement a new function. I don't think it's unfair to ask for an already present feature to be developed so that it can be usable!

I agree, and I hope that the planned fixes are on the schedule. I also hope people realize that my understanding why they haven't been made yet doesn't preclude my wanting those fixes.