Cakewalk make very good use out of Jerry's expertise in producing MIDI masterpieces by connecting his works with Sonar's notation abilities. Jerry himself defends his use of Cakewalk by having the work output to show off what it can do. The trouble is it takes a master editor/composer like Jerry to squeeze that sort of result out of Sonar.

Considering Jerry is so very well qualified I don't blame him for calling out Cakewalk when promises have been made and not lived up to.

It's been a long road and despite a few tiny updates to Notation many of the problems occur when an existing feature just doesn't work anymore. Maybe in adding a new feature in the MIDI area it impacts Notation and the choice is made to benefit Midi overall, Notation has to suffer? I don't know, I'm just speculating. Despite the many hints that Notation will get some attention it still hasn't happened.

I admire your patience Jerry and I hope that you get the changes you need to improve your working lot.

I think the snobby comments suggesting that most Sonar users have no notation abilities isn't going to help the cause. I personally do most of my music production by ear. However, the sequencer I used mostly in the 90's was C-Lab Notator and I can work with notation. I don't use the staff view in Sonar because it's always appeared to me to be a token afterthought and not a serious part of Sonar. If it was a more serious and functional tool, I would use it and I'm sure many others would too.
 
Sonar is very good and very functional at what it does so I can use it without any inbuilt notation and so I've been quiet in this thread so far. I do though, support the movement for better notation tools in Sonar and can't really view Sonar as a complete DAW package until that happens. I can understand that for Cake to completely develop a notation system in-house would be a massive undertaking and that its development would be at the expense of other pressing updates and developments. So maybe, rather than reinvent the wheel, a currently existing and established notation system could be licensed and integrated into Sonar. Either way, I can see it's a pretty major issue that Cake should be addressing rather than keeping it on the backburner, but snobs who believe they are the elite few who are capable of using notation, simply serve to keep it as a low priority for now.

Well said Mudgel!

 
OMG I had to edit this comment to clean up the coffee I spit every where from laughing so hard.
that comment was awesome.
 
Just so you guys are aware, im all for Staff view updates. I think it should have been done a long time ago.
However, I think it can discussed in a productive way. It just seems every time one of these SV threads come up it turns in to something like a tonewood discussion on YouTube. It gets out of hand Easily. Jerry bumped this thread (after being dead 4 months) to say what again ? to call Bill Jackson "Boy who cried wolf" I just don't see productivity in that. I also don't see "Patience" in that and I definitely don't "Admire" that.
 
I've also realized I have no business being in this thread. I don't use Staff View, I use the PRV and play real instruments
(I swear that's not a dig, im just explaining what I use). I do read/write music, I just find it easier to use PRV.
So best wishes.

AllanH
I've given up on Staff view. The new PRV is excellent, and for recording and programming midi, the PRV is (imo) more accurate anyway. Took a while to adjust.
 

Well, maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but it is possible that all the work on PRV recently is actually a positive thing for staff view.  It seems to me that of all the functional pieces of SONAR, PRV is the closest to staff view.  It could be that we are seeing essentially a full overhaul of PRV, that could then be a better foundation for staff view modernization.
 
As a person who is hoping for more from staff view than a few often requested bug fixes, I hold out some hope.

Maybe all of the prerequisites have been dropping into place.  First the PRV enhancements ... then ripple editing ... now time for some staff view love! 
 
Then it will be time to consider arranger tracks, chord tracks, etc.

abacab
Maybe all of the prerequisites have been dropping into place.  First the PRV enhancements ... then ripple editing ... now time for some staff view love! 
 
Then it will be time to consider arranger tracks, chord tracks, etc.

I like the way you think

35mm
I think the snobby comments suggesting that most Sonar users have no notation abilities isn't going to help the cause.

Those of us using Staff View aren't being "snobby", we have been told time and time again that we are a very small minority of Sonar users and that is why SV doesn't get the attention. The bakers are too busy working on features that more people will use. Then come the promises. "We're looking into it", "something IS in the works", "maybe soon". Yet nothing materializes month after month. I personally have been waiting 9 years, others even longer!

jatoth
Those of us using Staff View aren't being "snobby", we have been told time and time again that we are a very small minority of Sonar users and that is why SV doesn't get the attention...

 
The assumption seems to be that Staff View only exists for an elite who work on classical orchestration. I believe that Staff View should be part of everyone's toolkit. It's unfortunate that so many people dismiss it.

Seems that the staff view friends try through persistent
discussions to reach an update.
Respect .
Hope it will not end in frustration,
cause CW mentioned  many times not updating SW.