Brando
For sure. I don't blame them I don't (use it) either.

It is a self-fulfilling prophesy. 
1) They have a crappy notation mode.
2) People who work heavily in notation to to Cubase, DP, or StudioOne / Notion.
3) Cakewalk observes none of their customers are interested in notation.
4) Go to step 1.
 
The caution is that the world is moving forward.  Just as sequencing merged with recording to create the DAW world, the next convergence is composition and production.  This is well underway with composers willing to work directly in MIDI.  But there is a huge base of composers / arrangers who still prefer to work in notation, or a combination of notation and MIDI.
 
Either participate in this convergence or be left behind.  That is the choice.

cparmerlee

Brando
For sure. I don't blame them I don't (use it) either.

It is a self-fulfilling prophesy. 
1) They have a crappy notation mode.
2) People who work heavily in notation to to Cubase, DP, or StudioOne / Notion.
3) Cakewalk observes none of their customers are interested in notation.
4) Go to step 1.
 
The caution is that the world is moving forward.  Just as sequencing merged with recording to create the DAW world, the next convergence is composition and production.  This is well underway with composers willing to work directly in MIDI.  But there is a huge base of composers / arrangers who still prefer to work in notation, or a combination of notation and MIDI.
 
Either participate in this convergence or be left behind.  That is the choice.

I agree. Staff view improvements is my number 1 FR though I haven't used Sonar's staff view for years. I am a lifetime subscriber, and currently use Notion 6 for Notation after the fact, and Sonar's PRV and live MIDI recording. Would love to be able to seamlessly switch views to edit interchangeably between SV and PRV.
I do suspect that Cake has yet to understand the importance of this.

Im guessing analytics told Cakewalk something that every SV user doesn't want to hear.
Im also guessing SV users probably have analytics turned off .
Not a big fan of analytics myself. But true to form, a lot of us old school users don't like sharing information through our software applications (I wear a tin foil hat no doubt) and a lot of old school users are SV lovers.
kind of makes sense, no ?

chuckebaby
Im guessing analytics told Cakewalk something that every SV user doesn't want to hear.

You may be right, and that would just strengthen the self-fulfilling prophecy cycle mentioned above.
 
"Hey guys? Look, nobody is using score view.  I guess that means we don't need to waste any resources on it."
 
Too bad the analytics don't say WHY people aren't using a particular feature.

cparmerlee
 Too bad the analytics don't say WHY people aren't using a particular feature

 
Good point cparmerlee

The adjustments being asked for in Staff View can very well be handled by restoring the Staff View Editing Tool interface to what was present in Cakewalk Professional and other the follow along products until relatively recently. The requested adjustments are not from 3rd party software. They are from Cakewalk itself.
 
Bear in mind I have been using Cakewalk for about 30 years.
I started out using Cakewalk Pro 4.0 for DOS. 
I currently use SONAR X3 and it frustrates me quite often mostly on this point. I am a composer.
The Staff View interface in Cakewalk for Windows 3.1 is the example you should look at.
The Editing Tool bar was right under the Transport Controls. The Tempo and Time/Key Signature interface was there next to the Transport Controls. It was an intuitive working layout and it is in Cakewalk's history. Look it up, adapt and revive.
You should combine this with some of the improvements present in the current interface like Guitar Grids and Hairpins.
 
I am a composer who often can play what I want long before I can tell you what it looks like.
I use the sequencer for live MIDI capture. The Notation software I was does a very poor job of live MIDI capture. 
Once I've analyzed and understand what I've played. I then move the MIDI export a full notation suite much like a rough cut gets sent to mix down for final polish. 
 
PS
I can send pictures if you can't find any.

This reminds me of somethings said recently on the forum...that Sonar has an aging problem. Everyone that uses has been doing so since the beginning of DOS.  That included me.  If Notation or Staff View was a little more usable Sonar might be the choice of students. There are huge numbers of kids who learn to read basic music in bands and orchestras all around the world. Tap that market and see where it takes you.  I doubt Gibson or anyone would never entertain dropping Sonar if that was the case.... 

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I completely agree. 
Using Cakewalk notation has been a huge help in my ability to write.
I also have used it to create Music Theory exercises for my Kids.
 
I live in Texas.
I have one kid in Band and 2 others in Choir.
All the schools they have been in have multiple choirs and bands.
The High School Marching band fielded about 200 kids this past season.
They have 4 levels of bands plus a jazz unit.
They have 6 choirs.
They all participate in and statewide competitions in what is known as UIL (University Inter Scholastic League)
They are always preparing for competitions both Solo and Ensemble. 
Their competitions require sight reading as early as Elementary school.
You might want to look into it.
 
 

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