HVintagevibe. Do you actually have Studio One or are you speculating on what might be at some future time.
I have and use Studio One V2.6.5
I'll say it again.

Presonus have bought Notion and sell it in their store but it is not in anyway integrated into Studio One 2.6.5 which is the latest version of their DAW. Notion is now version 5 which was due to be released when it was bought by Presonus. They have done nothing visible with it certainly not to the point of integrating it in their DAW. What they maybe doing in house or the intending to do maybe another thing but 'going to' and 'already done' are entirely different perspectives.

Using misinformation doesn't bolster your arguments at all. It just shows that you'll say what you want to strengthen your point of view whether it's accurate or not.

mudgel
HVintagevibe. Do you actually have Studio One or are you speculating on what might be at some future time.
I have and use Studio One V2.6.5
I'll say it again.

Presonus have bought Notion and sell it in their store but it is not in anyway integrated into Studio One 2.6.5 which is the latest version of their DAW. Notion is now version 5 which was due to be released when it was bought by Presonus. They have done nothing visible with it certainly not to the point of integrating it in their DAW. What they maybe doing in house or the intending to do maybe another thing but 'going to' and 'already done' are entirely different perspectives.

Using misinformation doesn't bolster your arguments at all. It just shows that you'll say what you want to strengthen your point of view whether it's accurate or not.

If he's talking about "some future time," I asked a PreSonus representative when 3.0 was coming out. I was told "later this year." If VintageVibe knows something about 3.0 integrating notation, he's probably violating an NDA, If not, then it's just speculation based on nothing other than a press release that was non-specific as to any potential aspects of integration. They could have just meant rewiring, as you can do with SONAR (and Studio One Pro) now.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this statement from SONAR's project manager, who took on the job shortly after the acquisition:
 
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.
 
I read that as it has not been a priority in the past, and although he's not making any promises, things are different now.

mudgel
HVintagevibe. Do you actually have Studio One or are you speculating on what might be at some future time.
I have and use Studio One V2.6.5
I'll say it again.

Presonus have bought Notion and sell it in their store but it is not in anyway integrated into Studio One 2.6.5 which is the latest version of their DAW. Notion is now version 5 which was due to be released when it was bought by Presonus. They have done nothing visible with it certainly not to the point of integrating it in their DAW. What they maybe doing in house or the intending to do maybe another thing but 'going to' and 'already done' are entirely different perspectives.

Using misinformation doesn't bolster your arguments at all. It just shows that you'll say what you want to strengthen your point of view whether it's accurate or not.

I don't have Studio One but I do have Notion and on the Notion forums a Presonus representative said that integration is their plan.  

Anderton
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this statement from SONAR's project manager, who took on the job shortly after the acquisition:
 
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.
 
I read that as it has not been a priority in the past, and although he's not making any promises, things are different now.

There is absolutely nothing new in this statement.  They are not saying they will do it.   "intend to tackle it eventually" has been Cakewalk's line for decades.  They are saying they'd like to and now that "fill in the blank" is different there is more of a possibility.  They said the same think when Roland took over and Skylight was their new platform.  They said the same thing after they sent out surveys asking about notation.  Yes Gibson is new just like Roland was new but I don't think you understand how many people here have heard exactly that same thing for longer than you have used Sonar.   No one knows the future but when I hear the exact same thing over and over it is reasonable to expect the exact same result.

Anderton
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this statement from SONAR's project manager, who took on the job shortly after the acquisition:
 
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.
 
I read that as it has not been a priority in the past, and although he's not making any promises, things are different now.

We understand perfectly what Bill has said.
It's just we have heard this many times before. In fact with each new release, Cakewalk assures us SV is not dead, it's just not a priority.
I didn't see anything different in Bill's post, except, he DID admit there are no current plans to work on it.

Some rose tinted glasses in that interpretation Craig. No promises no commitments, no change. New model or not, there was no commitment. That's what we seek. Bugs should not run through multiple versions. The new model says we get bug fixes for a year, but history shows they neglect bugs year after year.

Anderton
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this statement from SONAR's project manager, who took on the job shortly after the acquisition:
 
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.
 
I read that as it has not been a priority in the past, and although he's not making any promises, things are different now.

Craig, now that you work for Cakewalk, perhaps the capacity for objectivity and for being completely honest with your customers has been curtailed a bit.   You know, or should know, as well as I do, if not better, that something is seriously wrong with a software company that refuses for over a decade to improve a part of the program that has been there from the early days of Pro Audio.  Just getting CW to address basic bugs in notation has proven to be a total failure.  Even in CW's advertisements, they don't show an image of it, they don't say anything about it at all, except that it's included in the software.  I realize money makes the world go around, but there is such thing as integrity--not your's specifically, but the company's.  Is there some kind of disdain or contempt for notation?  Why wouldn't the developers be energized and eager to make improvements and fix bugs in such a core aspect of sequencing?  Is the bottom line more important than creating the best DAW available?  It's a drag for me, I am professional, classically trained composer who has scored for film, TV, games, dance, concerts, albums and animation.   Sonar has always been promoted as a professional piece of software, has that changed?   Are you not interested in selling software  to professional composers, arrangers and orchestrators as the opening of the user manual has stated for decades? 
 
It is sad to say, but nobody believe CW anymore about the staff view.  Too many releases go by where the same old "We're going to get to it" has been repeated.  At some point people just stop believing words when the actions associated with those words don't ever pan out.  You can attack the messenger if you wish, but my message is pretty much the same as many other users who use notation.  CW's attitude is childish and deceptive.  I don't know what the company politics are (and I don't want to know) but I think pride of craftsmanship is important and if CW wants to create the best DAW around, upgrading the staff view (or at the very least fix bugs) would certainly add to Sonar's value. 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 
 

My suggestion several years ago was to have an item in the cakewalk store for notation improvements. Pre-paid.
Sort of like a kickstarter program. If we get this much money collected we have the go to address the staff view.
I for one would put in a quick $30.  When the update comes out the people that put money in could get a slight discount. So say I gave the $30 above, I would be happy for $10-$15 discount.
Just my 2 cents worth.
 
 

Jerry,
Well said, I agree 100%.