mudgel
HVintagevibe. Do you actually have Studio One or are you speculating on what might be at some future time. 
I have and use Studio One V2.6.5 
I'll say it again.

Presonus have bought Notion and sell it in their store but it is not in anyway integrated into Studio One 2.6.5 which is the latest version of their DAW. Notion is now version 5 which was due to be released when it was bought by Presonus. They have done nothing visible with it certainly not to the point of integrating it in their DAW. What they maybe doing in house or the intending to do maybe another thing but 'going to' and 'already done' are entirely different perspectives.

Using misinformation doesn't bolster your arguments at all. It just shows that you'll say what you want to strengthen your point of view whether it's accurate or not.

 
I think it’s a bit rude to accuse me of misinforming and that I will say anything.  Here are the facts:
 
1)   Presonus purchased Notion – HUGE DEVELOPMENT.
2)   The first thing they did was add an Export To Notion function in Studio One (I assume it is still there).
3)   A Presonus representative told me they have big plans for integration.
 
Granted they did not promise anything but this not misinformation.  What they plan to do and actually is, of course, not the same until proven so, however, items #1 and #2 are real actions that in and of themselves leave Sonar in the dust with respect to notation.

I am stunned!!! When I started this thread I had no idea it would spark this long discussion! In the past, someone would start the legendary "FIX THE STAFF VIEW" thread. The ones of us who didn't use it pounced on us like a cat on a rat! We don't need no stinkin' SF!!! The thread would quickly disappear in a matter of hours. I hate to think of disinterest.
NOW, there seems to be real interest in getting this thing fixed! Or maybe there's more members now that have use of the SF. Whichever, it is! BRAVO!!!
I can't remember ever having a SV thread run this long other than when it broke in X1.
Maybe there is still hope.
It is rather sad that a new buyer pays $400 for Sonar and then finds out that a critical portion of the program for him is antiquated and in some aspects unusable and the company's reaction is "Well, that part of Sonar is not a priority."
Everyone who knows me here and in my life knows I am a Caker. I just hope that all these buyouts and restructuring
will eventually lead to a stable company with the best product for the money out there. A program that has now weaknesses when it comes to ALL it's features.
I, for one, can't express how impressed I am with the Platinum rollout. I just hope the dedication and expertise stays on this level.
Holy Crap! I feel like a motivational speaker at a real estate class! 

sidroe,
I was just thinking along the same lines last night.
I just wonder what the critical mass is for Cake to take SV fixes seriously.

microapp
I just wonder what the critical mass is for Cake to take SV fixes seriously.

I doubt we're anywhere near that.
 

vintagevibe
on the Notion forums a Presonus representative said that integration is their plan.  

As well it should be.  Why acquire the product if one doesn't plan to achieve some synergy, either on a marketing level or through real integration?
 
I find this subject difficult to discuss because very few people are very immersed in notation and also heavy users of DAWs.  Each user base seems hostile to the other, or at least resists understanding how the two worlds can and should come together.
 
I doubt it was much different in the pre-DAW days when the sequencer people really felt they had little in common with the recording studio people.
 
I'm not even sure Steinberg gets it, as integration seems to not be a primary goal -- at least not one of the goals they have discussed openly.  But to me it seems like a no-brainer.  Integration would expand the interest in BOTH notation and DAW products.
 
It should be of some concert to Cakewalk/Gibson because their primary competitors (Presonus and Steinberg) do have control over general purpose notation products that are far more capable than anything that is likely ever to be built into Sonar.  That's why a hook-up with Finale at some level would be a smart strategy as I see it.  At least as strategic as the hook-up with Melodyne, for example.
 
I don't think it is wise for anybody to blow this off when the competition seems to be in a potentially very disruptive position.

Sidroe
 The ones of us who didn't use it pounced on us like a cat on a rat!

I resemble that remark ....

Paul P

microapp
I just wonder what the critical mass is for Cake to take SV fixes seriously.

I doubt we're anywhere near that.

I am beginning to question if it actually exists.

Sidroe
NOW, there seems to be real interest in getting this thing fixed! Or maybe there's more members now that have use of the SF. Whichever, it is! BRAVO!!!

Maybe there is a growing recognition that music technology as a "proper" field of education is being recognized these days.  Perhaps many institutions are no longer viewing this as some little enclave of enthusiasts that like to make strange noises with synthesizers, and now it is being seen as an essential skill for the modern composer.  Certainly fixing the bugs with the notation features should be a priority, but the field of notation is much broader than the current scope of Sonar notation.  This merging of notation, sequencing, and recording should be seen holistically as the field of music production.  And it doesn't stop there, because the real field is media production, including video.  A vendor that doesn't want to be pigeon-holed as just a play-thing for hobbyists needs to broaden its vision here.
 

InstrEd
My suggestion several years ago was to have an item in the cakewalk store for notation improvements. Pre-paid.
Sort of like a kickstarter program. If we get this much money collected we have the go to address the staff view.
I for one would put in a quick $30.  When the update comes out the people that put money in could get a slight discount. So say I gave the $30 above, I would be happy for $10-$15 discount.
Just my 2 cents worth.
 
 

nice idea - ..., I would gladly contribute.

"Build it and they will come" is a valid comment on any aspect of the program.
 
I think it is possible the staff view is not used by most Sonar users because those who would like it to work are not Sonar users. Especially given how the other DAW publishers do promote it.
 
And/Or, those who would like to use it do not because it does not work so good.