cparmerlee made the point that Cakewalk has no connection to a notation software company.
 
The notation functionality in Cakewalk DAWs since Pro-Audio days was spun off to a company now called SonicScores. They make the notation product called Overture and its lite version Scorewriter, which is what I use for my notation needs. SonicScores are about to launch version 5 of Overture, which supposedly will be a major advance in notation software in that it will include things that are more like a DAW, with a mixer view and plug-ins, etc. if I'm not mistaken.
 
It may be total coincidence, but in the SonicScores user forum, the company's leader said he is going to NAMM, not because they have a booth of their own, but because he is going to be "visiting a few people who are interested in purchasing Overture or licensing it with their products."
 
Maybe it is hoping for too much, but I think it would be a good fit for Cakewalk to hook up with SonicScores in the near future.
 
Whether it involves a collaboration with another company or not, I definitely hope that Cakewalk at least fixes the bugs and maybe provides a few minor enhancements for the SV soon. I'm not being negative, but we have waited long enough for Sonar to reposition itself at or near the top of the DAW world (not the music publishing world) as far as the SV is concerned.

Notion is not near the sophisticated program Overture is and it has the ability to run VST effects and VST instruments. I said a long time ago when I purchased it thru Cake that if Notion ever got the ability to do audio as well it would kill every other DAW out there.
It will run one track of audio in the project but you can only load one wave. There is no audio editing at all.
I still ReWire Notion to Sonar and it works well for my use but I dream for the day that I don't have to ReWire to anything to get great notation in Sonar alone.

ptheisen
The notation functionality in Cakewalk DAWs since Pro-Audio days was spun off to a company now called SonicScores. They make the notation product called Overture and its lite version Scorewriter, which is what I use for my notation needs. SonicScores are about to launch version 5 of Overture, which supposedly will be a major advance in notation software in that it will include things that are more like a DAW, with a mixer view and plug-ins, etc. if I'm not mistaken.
 

That's interesting.  I had not followed Overture and, frankly was surprised to hear it still was under development.  They certainly refer to DAW features like VSTs.  My guess is that while this could be attractive for lightweight use, it isn't a robust notation program, nor is it a robust DAW.  Programs like Band-in-a-bpx include DAW-style features, like limited support for VST effects, but it really isn't very satisfying.  With BIAB, I tend to generate WAVs for individual instruments, then import them into Sonar for true DAW processing.  Or I might send the MIDI into Finale to as base tracks in a notation project.
 
While I am certainly not against a DAW vendor teaming up with a specific notation vendor, I really don't think this will cause power users to switch their notation program.
 
I think the real opportunity lies in more seamless interfaces from notation to DAW, and the elements are already there: MIDI and MusicXML.  And this isn't just a one-way street.  Lots of people compose within the DAW, but might eventually need to publish professional-quality manuscript, that is well beyond the capability of the built-in notation.  One can easily imagine a MusicXML export that would allow a Sonar project to be imported into Finale or Sibelius.
 
Just for the record, it looks like Sibelius and Musescore support MusicXML.  Here is an older article that shows the support is there, albeit with some limitations.  I assume the support today is much better.  The XML support in Finale is really extensive.  (Finale acquired the company that was promoting MusicXML, so I guess Finale - Makemusic is the official custodian of the standard now.)
http://musescore.org/node/13760
 
Here is the MusicXML compatibility list.  People who are not familiar with this would probably be amazed at how many different products support this interchange standard now.
http://www.musicxml.com/software/
 
Under Overture it says: "Two third-party open source programs hosted on SourceForge are available for converting Overture files into MusicXML 2.0 files. Alberto Vignani has created an ove2xmly converter that writes MusicXML and LilyPond files from Overture 4.1 files. Rui Fan has created an ove2xml converter that writes MusicXML files from Overture 3 and 4 files. Both converters run on Windows."

cparmerlee

Sidroe
NOW, there seems to be real interest in getting this thing fixed! Or maybe there's more members now that have use of the SF. Whichever, it is! BRAVO!!!

Maybe there is a growing recognition that music technology as a "proper" field of education is being recognized these days.  Perhaps many institutions are no longer viewing this as some little enclave of enthusiasts that like to make strange noises with synthesizers, and now it is being seen as an essential skill for the modern composer.  Certainly fixing the bugs with the notation features should be a priority, but the field of notation is much broader than the current scope of Sonar notation.  This merging of notation, sequencing, and recording should be seen holistically as the field of music production.  And it doesn't stop there, because the real field is media production, including video.  A vendor that doesn't want to be pigeon-holed as just a play-thing for hobbyists needs to broaden its vision here.
 

This is exactly what is happening in education.  Every school I've taught at uses Smart Music.  The new standards for the Georgia Music Educators Association includes music technology standards for teaching.  If it is in school education programs notation is part of it.  But, of course, to Cakewalk it's just a small niche market.

vintagevibe

cparmerlee

Sidroe
NOW, there seems to be real interest in getting this thing fixed! Or maybe there's more members now that have use of the SF. Whichever, it is! BRAVO!!!

Maybe there is a growing recognition that music technology as a "proper" field of education is being recognized these days.  Perhaps many institutions are no longer viewing this as some little enclave of enthusiasts that like to make strange noises with synthesizers, and now it is being seen as an essential skill for the modern composer.  Certainly fixing the bugs with the notation features should be a priority, but the field of notation is much broader than the current scope of Sonar notation.  This merging of notation, sequencing, and recording should be seen holistically as the field of music production.  And it doesn't stop there, because the real field is media production, including video.  A vendor that doesn't want to be pigeon-holed as just a play-thing for hobbyists needs to broaden its vision here.
 

This is exactly what is happening in education.  Every school I've taught at uses Smart Music.  The new standards for the Georgia Music Educators Association includes music technology standards for teaching.  If it is in school education programs notation is part of it.  But, of course, to Cakewalk it's just a small niche market.

 
Hi Vintagevibe,
If it takes a bit of music education to wake Cakewalk up about the relevance and power of notation + MIDI that's fine by me.  I would think that a lot of professional composers and music educators who don't use Sonar because the staff view is underdeveloped would reconsider because of Sonar's other outstanding features if CW went ahead and took it seriously.  Sonar is one of the easiest DAWs to use, has great features and ergonomics.  If they had a better notation view they'd probably gather a new market of people in addition to those who already love the program.

vintagevibe
But, of course, to Cakewalk it's just a small niche market.

I haven't really seen any signs that ANY DAW maker gets it at all yet. But as you say, many collegiate programs, and even some high school programs are there now, or at least well down the path.
 
I don't think Sonar is any more out of the game than the rest of the DAW makers.  I'm just suggesting that there is an important fusion ahead of us and Cakewalk has as good an opportunity as any other DAW maker to be a leader in this next generation.  And conversely, they can find themselves being less relevant if they don't make themselves aware of this opportunity.  I an not sure that Cakewalk is well served by having so many hobbyists guiding their thinking.  I don't expect this next generational step will be driven by the hobbyists.

See the thing is...if kids in school are using your app, then there is a greater chance they will use it as an adult. 
 
And I've said this many times before,  DAWs and Recording Tech will change, come and go.  Notation will be the constant.  So the short run, notation might be a small deal...in the long run it will insure survival.
 
 

Although I'm new to Sonar and obviously was not aware of these things, I really would love to see Cakewalk spend some resources on improving the staff view and fix the bugs that were mentioned in this thread.

 
In my perfect alternative universe - SONAR has the best staff view in the world, and the PRV guys are forced to have their music spaced in staff like this (ignore the keys below). 
 

jsg
Hi Vintagevibe,
If it takes a bit of music education to wake Cakewalk up about the relevance and power of notation + MIDI that's fine by me.  I would think that a lot of professional composers and music educators who don't use Sonar because the staff view is underdeveloped would reconsider because of Sonar's other outstanding features if CW went ahead and took it seriously.  Sonar is one of the easiest DAWs to use, has great features and ergonomics.  If they had a better notation view they'd probably gather a new market of people in addition to those who already love the program.

That is exactly why I've never understood their reasoning.  There is a huge market that requires notation.  No one needs to replace Sibelius or Finale.  I'll always need Sibelius but I also need functional notation in a DAW.  I'm trying to get a Music Technology class approved for they school I'm currently teaching at but I couldn't recommend Sonar as the software.