vintagevibe
 
This is exactly what is happening in education.  Every school I've taught at uses Smart Music.  The new standards for the Georgia Music Educators Association includes music technology standards for teaching.  If it is in school education programs notation is part of it.  But, of course, to Cakewalk it's just a small niche market.

I guess I can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to attain.
 
Logic would indicate that signing a distribution deal with Hal Leonard, which as strong inroads into education, and trumpeting that in a press release announcing the deal last year might give a clue that Cakewalk would like to become a player in that field.
 
I even mentioned in this thread that expansion into the education market would provide a stronger incentive to improve notation than what is currently, according to statistics compiled from random surveys of the user base (of which the total population of this forum is, IIRC, less than 10%), a distinct minority of users.

vintagevibe
Actually I suspect it may be because the kicked they ball down the road for so many years that they are afraid to touch the code now.  I have to fault Cakewalk for that decision if true.

And if it's true that Kanye West bribed Bill Jackson to kick the ball down the road for so many years, then I would have to fault Cakewalk for accepting the bribe if that is true.

rabeach
It is difficult at best not to be cynical when we have been waiting for almost two decades. SV worked better in pro audio 9 than it does now.

Chronologically, you've been waiting for two decades. Realistically, you've been waiting since September 2013, when the parent company and product manager changed. This essentially rebooted the company. Much has happened in the past 16 months, although the changes did not involve improvement to SV. However several foundational aspects needed to be fixed, like MIDI and automation, before making a priority of things built on that foundation. 
 
I would like to see Staff View improved too, if for no other reason that to make a small portion of the current user base happier.

Anderton
 
If faced with eliminating one of these features to do a staff view makeover the numbers just don't add up, either in terms of needs of the user base (at least according to the results of surveys dating back years) or in terms of allocating resources. 

This will always be the case.  

Craig you are right on this 100%.  
Here's the thing though... I use 3 different daws and a supplemental notation (sibelius) program that I also modify to be more functional with midi.  With 2 of my 3 daws, steinberg is the lead in development of the standards those daws use.  these daws are sonar (my primary) and cubase (my secondary) -- the third is reason.  I think what a lot of people are failing to realize is that you have a company which developed fundamental standards that most daws use (asio and vst)  forces everyone else has to adapt and catch up to.  I literally think that people sometimes gloss over the fact that vst3 was under development while steiny was also working on ways to integrate that standard into their own daw and synths, putting every other developer and competitor literally YEARS behind the curve - I don't think Native-Instruments has released a single vst3 at this point and they are one of the leading players in the field.
I use Sonar for most of my work.  I use cubase for detailed specifics that I can't get in sonar (like per-note vst3 expression - even though i think that their editing scheme is way too convoluted) and vst connect for collaborating with some folks on the other side of the globe - that was honestly the only reason i bought it.   I also use it for their staff view quite a bit because their expression maps are easy to use. 
With platinum I am going to be using mix recall a whole helluva lot I can say.  Do I use staff view in sonar?? On almost every project.  Does it usually suit my needs?  pretty undeniably.   Would I like to see it updated?  yes, but I also see we're on the downslope of technological advancements right now and sonar is about 2-3 years ahead of the other major daws on the market that are based on the standards defined by a primary competitor.  
I really think staff view will be updated at some point, but like i said in a prior post is that when cakewalk does it it will be done right.  
I would prefer first vst3 per-note expression because I think cake would develop something that would be much easier to use than cub***.  Some more ARA enhancements would be good as well.  
In the next couple of years I would be expecting steinberg to have a major overhaul of notation since they hired daniel spreadbury and his team.  This can be seen as nothing less than a competitive advantage.
What I do know is that in 2 versions sonar nailed vst3 and ara and are applying ara specifically in very useful ways.
So, on the downslope predict what your competitor is going to hit next and meet them full frontal with a better solution out of the box.  
 

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YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
The new upgrade/membership program is NOT expensive. For ANYBODY.  I will spend more on electricity this month than I will spend for the sonar upgrade.
Most users will spend more in a month for soda and coffee, or gas, or ,...... Than they will spend on Sonar for a full year.

For the most part this thread is about Cake listening to users and in particular the state of Staff view.
But here is a rough price comparison.
Bought outright by a new user
 
Sonar Platinum $499
Studio One Pro $399
Cubase 8 pro $549
Reason $399
Protools 11 $699
Digital Performer 8 $499
Logic Pro X $199
FL Studio $139
Reaper`$60
Ableton Live 9 $749
 
I won't get into yearly costs. 
But on a strictly cost basis you should be using Reaper, yes?
 

YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Unbelievable. I just posted the previous post to a different thread and it was added here. With a date stamp of 15 minutes ago.
PLEASE Gibson buy some real forum software.

Well maybe it will put my response into the thread to which you were posting.
 

Logic Pro X $199 + necessary Apple hardware to run. Lowest price MBP  around $1200.
Garage Band - $400 on iPad 2
 
OK back to the original topic.  A score view usually adds to the price of the DAW. 

There were also multiple requests for the feature that ended up being Mix Recall.

Craig, can you point us to posts/threads which contain the user requests for Mix Recall ?

vintagevibeNot calling anyone a liar at all. My point is that what they are saying now is exactly what they have said since the 90’s.

 
Bill Jackson said it wasn't dead. You said "No matter what Cakewalk says publicly it will never be addressed." You can shade that any way you want, but the clear implication is that he is at least being disingenuous. Furthermore, you are referring to statements by "they." "They" were other people, not Bill. 
 
Your support for this "fact" is that "It used to be this way, so it will always be this way." But when the person steering the ship, the company owning the ship, and the ship's mission changes, you can't assume everything will continue as it has before. Most people are aware just how much has changed in the past 16 months. The marketplace certainly does.
 
Besides, didn't you say after you couldn't get the graphics working properly that you'd pretty much stopped using SONAR anyway except to open legacy projects, and were now doing your projects in Cubase? So it appears you already have a solution. You don't have to wait until SONAR implements one.
 

I don’t think they are being dishonest but that no matter what is said in public when they have design meetings it will never get on the agenda.

 
That is a fabrication. I have attended design meetings, and staff view has not only gotten on the agenda but been discussed. Bill's response is almost identical to what he said at a previous meeting. 
 
Maybe you go to secret design meetings to which i'm not privy, but I doubt it.

I remember requesting something akin to mix recall at some point after cubase let me down with track versions...

dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

Uh, I hope you don't mean all users complaining about SV.  That's not fair to the rest of us snobs.
 
Kind regards,
 
tecknot