stratman70

dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

Hmm, Thanks for pointing that out Dub.
 I posted above about not using staff view, but hoping for others it gets updated, etc, etc.
 
Although, Yes I can read music, about 20+ years worth-just don't use staff view.

I think there is some misunderstanding here, and not an intent to insult anyone.  I don't believe anybody said that people don't use staff view because they can't read music.  If anybody said that, I missed it.  I think the point was that some percentage of the Sonar base -- maybe a majority -- don't use music notation, at least not when they are working with a DAW, and that is a reason why Cakewalk has not given it priority over the years.

konradh
Well, I do almost everything in Staff view and it is one of the things that distinguishes Sonar from some others, although I understand Cubase has a better notation function.
 
My biggest complaint, as expressed before, is enharmonics.  If Sonar puts an Fb instead of an E, I understand—it can't read my mind; HOWEVER, it is frustrating that I can't use Find/Change to change all the Fb occurrences to E natural: I have to do them one by one by right-clicking the notes.  GRRRR.
 
PS Many people have said you can use Find/Change to fix this.  I have tried 100 times and it doesn't work.
 
 

Konrad, you CAN do exactly what you think you cannot.  I use Find/Change all the time to do exactly that.  You can change all your F#s to G-flats, or all your D-flats to C#s.
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com

komposer
I'm an onionskin+drafting pen (along with fountain pen) educated writer who has found that Sonar's notation is completely unusable. I can't do anything with it whatsoever.
 
I've used Melody Assistant and Harmony Assistant made by two brothers from France
 
http://myriadonline.com
 
because they work great and didn't cost much when I needed a software notation program to print multiple scores for classical commissions.
 
I can import midi and Music XML from Myriad into Sonar but nothing more.
 
I'd bet if Cakewalk asked the guys from Myriad what it would take to incorporate all of the minutia they've programmed into their software it would be too costly.
 
I just consider the two platforms independent with minimal crossover and deal with it. Or maybe Cake should give Didier and Olivier a call?
 

That *might* be because you are thinking of the staff view as a vehicle for creating a score, which, I don't believe, is really its function.  I get great results with the staff view partly because I view it as a MIDI editor, same as the event list and the PRV, except that its more powerful because I can see all my counterpoint and harmony clearly.   I export to Sibelius to create the actual finished score and always will no matter even if CW decides to fix the staff view bugs. 
 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com/symphony9.htm
 
 

Do Baldwin Pianos have a forum, maybe we should work from their to route Gibson with a pincer manoeuvre

cparmerlee
 
It is a great product that is second to no other product in its category (ProTools might be considered a different category because of the hardware tie-ins.)
 

 
It depends on what you need.  It's far behind Cubase in MIDI and notation.  IF you're just using audio then it's a matter of taste.
 

So I am willing to give Cake the benefit of the doubt with regard to their past statements.  Until now, the product and business have just not been stable enough to justify making notation a high priority.  Survival was the priority.
 
Having said that, they really do need to move forward now.

They haven't been in crises for 15 years.  They have just ignored notation and continue to do so.  There is little reason to think that will change.

Most of the composers/arrangers I work with use Sibelius as their main program for notating. I find it works well but is bloated with functions that most don't need, but have to be there because it has to be a program that caters to what everyone needs a notation program to be. Another example of this is MS Word, it's full of stuff that the user has to navigate just to write a simple essay, but the options have to be there for those that do need them.
I think that if Sonar was to give me a SV that did the basics quickly and easily I would never use Sibelius again.
I will vote in the feature request for a better SV.

rebel007
I think that if Sonar was to give me a SV that did the basics quickly and easily I would never use Sibelius again.
I will vote in the feature request for a better SV.

Our requests might be very different.
 
What do you consider basics, that is not already there?
 
For me an update to work with triplets, and triplet rests - and a metronome that supports triplets to use same tempo as a drum engine metronome would(as it should be). A complete makeover to make triplets as natural as anything else.
 
If you have to work in odd signatures in Sonar - and then export in music.xml - you are in trouble anyway to get triplets work.
 
I haven't looked at featurelist longer back, but is staff view the same now as for Sonar 4 ten years ago?
Even a minor thing added?
Was fretboard entry added, maybe?

I would like a different way of selecting note durations. going back and fourth is tedious. Insert an note an drag it duration seems an obvious sulition, if not, return the note to the SV. Also a separate snap grid than the selected note length, but introducing a drag note length would do this as the snap would be different anyway.

I would really like to see a 32nd and 64th note fast arpeggio as individual notes tied moving up the staff! All you see now is a cluster %$^#$ of notes stacked up totem pole style. Boy, does that make editing a pain!

cparmerlee

stratman70

dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

Hmm, Thanks for pointing that out Dub.
 I posted above about not using staff view, but hoping for others it gets updated, etc, etc.
 
Although, Yes I can read music, about 20+ years worth-just don't use staff view.

I think there is some misunderstanding here, and not an intent to insult anyone.  I don't believe anybody said that people don't use staff view because they can't read music.  If anybody said that, I missed it.  I think the point was that some percentage of the Sonar base -- maybe a majority -- don't use music notation, at least not when they are working with a DAW, and that is a reason why Cakewalk has not given it priority over the years.

There was a statement along those lines but the person who said it clarified his position and it is water under the bridge. I think (or at least hope) those sort of statements are born of frustration.