pbognar
 
Excellent.  So now that there appears to be general consensus on what is in and out of scope for fixes / functionality enhancements, how do we effectively communicate this to Cakewalk?
 
We have been told that the official method is through the Feature Request forum.  To get the most traction, a very specific feature request would need to be created which would be satisfactory for the bulk of us.

 
I forget the exact post, but someone did just that (maybe even in this thread!) - listed a specific handful of "fix these, and you'll have something workable." IIRC it was a doable, well-thought out collection.
 

I nominate Craig.  If they don't listen to him, they won't listen to anyone.  

Actually the way it works is I provide data as to my opinion, but what they do with the data is up to them. I've made plenty of suggestions that were greeted with, shall we say, "polite indifference" 

One fix that can be done pretty quick is to 'put back' note icons for note lengths
 
I really cant see how they justified placing these in a right click menu especially that we are now in a touch screen world. Hey slow me down......  Also, quarter, whole note, half note etc are not exactly universal.... Europe and other regions do use minim, crotchet, quaver.... hence note icons are obviously a sensible choice.
 
The step record 'window displays note icons.  Why doesn't the staff view display them!!????
 
I have submitted a number of 'polite' requests in regards to this ever since X1 came out. Cakewalk seem to appear to be ignorant or just stubborn on this issue because it has been shown by two modders that this can be done quite easily. Yes I am aware of keyboard shortcuts.... but try getting school kids to remember them is not exactly educational and using mods is not exactly a fix that I can apply to software at my school. 
 
Sorry for getting frustrated on the issue... 

Anderton

pbognar
 
Excellent.  So now that there appears to be general consensus on what is in and out of scope for fixes / functionality enhancements, how do we effectively communicate this to Cakewalk?
 
We have been told that the official method is through the Feature Request forum.  To get the most traction, a very specific feature request would need to be created which would be satisfactory for the bulk of us.

 
I forget the exact post, but someone did just that (maybe even in this thread!) - listed a specific handful of "fix these, and you'll have something workable." IIRC it was a doable, well-thought out collection.
 

I nominate Craig.  If they don't listen to him, they won't listen to anyone.  

Actually the way it works is I provide data as to my opinion, but what they do with the data is up to them. I've made plenty of suggestions that were greeted with, shall we say, "polite indifference" 

 
Here's a list that seems to reflect the majority of users on the forum:
 
1.  Ensure that the snap-function works correctly.  When selecting a 16th note, the snap should move by that amount (with an override option of course).   Same with all note values.   Now, a smaller note value will cancel out Sonar's ability to snap to larger note values.
 
2.  Tied and dotted triplets, 32nd note triplets and 64th notes should display correctly.
 
3.  When screensets are used and switched back and forth, the order of the instruments in the staff view track pane becomes confused.
 
4.  When trying to open a note's properties when that note is on the first space or below the the staff, it doesn't always work easily.
 
Some users may want the note icons back, I personally use hot keys for that, but would not complain if CW put them back into the staff view.
 
I cannot think of anything else that is required to make the staff view into a solid MIDI editor.  I realize some people are going say "link dynamic marks to midi velocity", or "give us the ability to put staccato dots, ties, slurs and other performance markings in the staff view", but this is unnecessary since that information is already in the event list, the properties of the note and the PRV.  A musician who is really knowledgeable about creating a finished score will not use any DAW to create it whether it be Sonar, PT, Cubase, Logic or DP, so CW should not worry about that; it is quite easy to export the SMF to Finale or Sibelius and create a professional score with all the necessary articulations, part extraction capability, layout flexibility, print options, etc. 
 
I hope all users know this:  The more you expect the staff view to be a notation program the less likely CW will take the incremental steps to upgrade the staff view.  There is a lot of disinformation on the web.  Yesterday I read an article where the writer called Sibelius a "DAW", he obviously is not aware that Sibelius is not a music or audio production tool.
 
Thank you Craig for being an advocate for staff view improvements.   Much appreciate that you take the time to interact on the forum.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 

If that's the official list, please add:
 
• Display swing time correctly (three eighths = 1/4).  This is a big one that may be covered under #2 above.
• Add ability to correct enharmonics via Find/Change.  Example: Use Find/Change to change all Fb5 to E5.

konradh
• Add ability to correct enharmonics via Find/Change.  Example: Use Find/Change to change all Fb5 to E5.

Hi Konrad-
 
You can do this already. To change Fb to E in *all* octaves:
1. In the Process > Find/Change Event Filter - Search dialog, enter Fb? for both the Min and Max note.
2. Press OK.
3. In the Event Filter - Replace dialog, enter E? for both the Min and Max note.
4. Press OK.
 
For just Fb5, replace the "?" above with "5".
 
-Susan
 

jsg

Anderton

pbognar
 
Excellent.  So now that there appears to be general consensus on what is in and out of scope for fixes / functionality enhancements, how do we effectively communicate this to Cakewalk?
 
We have been told that the official method is through the Feature Request forum.  To get the most traction, a very specific feature request would need to be created which would be satisfactory for the bulk of us.

 
I forget the exact post, but someone did just that (maybe even in this thread!) - listed a specific handful of "fix these, and you'll have something workable." IIRC it was a doable, well-thought out collection.
 

I nominate Craig.  If they don't listen to him, they won't listen to anyone.  

Actually the way it works is I provide data as to my opinion, but what they do with the data is up to them. I've made plenty of suggestions that were greeted with, shall we say, "polite indifference" 

 
Here's a list that seems to reflect the majority of users on the forum:
 
1.  Ensure that the snap-function works correctly.  When selecting a 16th note, the snap should move by that amount (with an override option of course).   Same with all note values.   Now, a smaller note value will cancel out Sonar's ability to snap to larger note values.
 
2.  Tied and dotted triplets, 32nd note triplets and 64th notes should display correctly.
 
3.  When screensets are used and switched back and forth, the order of the instruments in the staff view track pane becomes confused.
 
4.  When trying to open a note's properties when that note is on the first space or below the the staff, it doesn't always work easily.
 
Some users may want the note icons back, I personally use hot keys for that, but would not complain if CW put them back into the staff view.
 
I cannot think of anything else that is required to make the staff view into a solid MIDI editor.  I realize some people are going say "link dynamic marks to midi velocity", or "give us the ability to put staccato dots, ties, slurs and other performance markings in the staff view", but this is unnecessary since that information is already in the event list, the properties of the note and the PRV.  A musician who is really knowledgeable about creating a finished score will not use any DAW to create it whether it be Sonar, PT, Cubase, Logic or DP, so CW should not worry about that; it is quite easy to export the SMF to Finale or Sibelius and create a professional score with all the necessary articulations, part extraction capability, layout flexibility, print options, etc. 
 
I hope all users know this:  The more you expect the staff view to be a notation program the less likely CW will take the incremental steps to upgrade the staff view.  There is a lot of disinformation on the web.  Yesterday I read an article where the writer called Sibelius a "DAW", he obviously is not aware that Sibelius is not a music or audio production tool.
 
Thank you Craig for being an advocate for staff view improvements.   Much appreciate that you take the time to interact on the forum.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 

Jerry, thanks for taking the lead in compiling a succinct list.
 
These limitations with triplets are a problem for me:
 
- Triplets must occur in full sets of three.
- All three steps in a triplet must be notes (no rests) of the same basic duration.
- There can be no ties in or out of, or within the triplet.
 
The second one is the worst - not being able to have embedded or leading rests in a group of triplets.

and how about triplets that DO have a rest...used a fair bit in jazz.

joden
and how about triplets that DO have a rest...used a fair bit in jazz.

Hi joden,

Right, that's what Peter is saying; it's a limitation. Triplet rests have been requested repeatedly, including here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3152863


-Susan
 
 

Thanks for the effort Jerry, I've passed the info along to the Bakers. 

I would like choice "C" above:  fix a few notation bugs, particularly triplets and snap, and please bring back the note length icons.