wienryk
I am using Cakewalk from 1991 and the notation is the first what I missed in the DOS version. Now I wish to have Sonar with better notation as well. Not to print in perfect quality, but to edit midi notes with notation the way how we can do that on PRV. 

+1  could not have said it better myself....

Well .. +2
 
Think I have already said it somewhere in that long thread but here I go again.
 
The big plus for me would be to be able to manipulate midi data with a standard music notation GUI. Examples:

• Articulation marks (legato, staccato, etc.) would trigger appropriate samples in software such as orchestral libraries. Much simpler to use that key switches or different midi channels for each articulation
• Intensity marks such as crescendo and decrescendo, PPP to FFF, etc. would affect velocity, CC11 or CC7, or any combination. Simpler than enveloppes or those panes in the PRV
• Tempo marks would be linked to the tempo track. Idem for accelerando and decelerendo marks

Programs such as Notion, Sibelius, and others do that tpe of stuff but I don't necessarily need all the power of those programs. Just a music notation GUI to manipulate midi data is a manner that is more intuitive for a classically trained musician.
 
For everything else, SONAR is there and is the best. That sounds like a MasterCard ad ... 

Not a solution for all who want Cakewalk to make Sonar's staff view better, but if you might find StaffPad worth checking out.
 
www.staffpad.net
 
http://www.surfaceforums.net/threads/staffpad-music-notation-software.14781/
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcxy1ORAzKg
 
 

Staffpad is very intriguing! Came across it last week.
That it will import/export MIDI and MusicXML is a bit plus.
Michael
 
Other info as to specs here:
http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/staffpad/ce714f58-1113-4c30-a9a3-f14a0fb5d7ed

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  Import MIDI/MusicXML
  
• Export to MIDI/MusicXML/MP3/WAV
  

Marcel, I agree that your suggestions would be cool; but I am having trouble understanding how they would work.  For example, would you have different marks for staccato, marcato, spiccato, and detaché?
 
And I don't know how we would integrate that with our libraries.  Vienna uses keyswitches in combination with a controller for different articulations.  Hollywood strings uses different MIDI channels—but sometimes uses keyswitches and sometimes uses controllers.  Both have the ability to crossfade samples. And, of course, there are other libraries.  To further complicate things, which keyswitch represents each articulation in Vienna is not set: the user can modify this with every matrix he/she creates.
 
Believe me, I would love a simple way to integrate this into Staff but I don't see how it would be possible.  If you know how to do it, you could probably make some good money working with these companies!

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, Konrad - keyswitches would be great in SV, but I think there would have to be some type of per-track mapping to support the particular keys used by any given synth.   Similar to INS files for external synth patches.    If a Staccato mark simply shortened the MIDI note duration then I could see something like that working across the board, but I don't think that's what most would want.
 
Now things like velocity on the other hand...
 

I think if they can work with Celemony on Melodyne integration then 3rd party integration could also be possible with a company like Notion with one caveat; it would only work within Sonar.  Although in the interest of a valuable update it should be more than just straight notation.
 
For example, each symbol like a trill, accelerando and dynamic marks could be interpreted which in turn is the same as a MIDI or mapped to velocity or expression or modulation. This would mean editing the initial MIDI would much less work to edit or tweak. 
 

In my opinion, there are not enough Sonar users that read music well enough to demand that Cakewalk develope a better notation editor! Until the demand goes up Cakewalk will probably continue to keep notation editing and printing on the backburner! This is one of my biggest complaints about Sonar! I keep Cubase 4, and Logic Pro 8 and even Finale 2008 around for midi and notation!. I even use Print Music 2011 on my laptop and a few other computers to do notation but I actually think if Sonar developed it's staff view more I'd use just Sonar!
 
Boykin

ronboy1952
...there are not enough Sonar users that read music well enough to demand that Cakewalk develope a better notation editor!...

 
It's unfortunate that this attitude prevails. As long as CW developers continue to regard traditional music notation as a specialist tool only used by classical musicians, then Sonar's Staff View will never receive the overhaul that it deserves. But really there is no good reason for any users to ignore SV for midi editing. It's a useful tool. PRV and SV complement each other. We should all be using both of them rather than one or the other.

I know for a fact, that Steinberg have made a really valiant attempt addressing the issue. Although it does not exist in Nuendo (it's optional) in Cubase you have tools that mean accessing your library articulations from the same view.
 
Another way I used to do it was use a drum map to trigger each sample type or use a separate track lane to do it. Like said before you could use MIDI FX to trigger certain events also.