mudgel

Noël made it very clear that Cakewalk have a deep desire to get to the notation issues in Sonar 

Yes.  They have made it very clear for 15 years.  I'm sure it will be very clear in another 15 years.  There might be a fix here or there (history says otherwise) but people who are hoping for a well designed and robust staff view need to look elsewhere.  It will never happen in Sonar.

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mudgel

Noël made it very clear that Cakewalk have a deep desire to get to the notation issues in Sonar 

Yes.  They have made it very clear for 15 years.  I'm sure it will be very clear in another 15 years.  There might be a fix here or there (history says otherwise) but people who are hoping for a well designed and robust staff view need to look elsewhere.  It will never happen in Sonar.

:-(
been here for 15 years myself so I understand your point.

I've been slowly trying out/learning to use MuseScore 2.  Wow.  Maybe with sufficient donations to the cause, Cake could get a capable notation interop for less than other options.
 
I bought into Notion with high hopes, but for all of the quick layout capability, it is equally short in getting the details down for guitar parts.  More of my $$ wasted ...
 
I'm not sure what direct hookup capability MuseScore has, but I have read posts in a different DAW forum where some folks were having good success.
 

Hi sorry I took so long to come back to this thread.
 
In reference to the message from Konrad above. I am not a computer programmer so I don't know how it could work but if Notion can do it with Miroslav Philharmonik, Sibelius and Finale with various software I don't see why this would not be feasible for SONAR. Also I don't see this as a pure "classical composer" tool. It is more a question of having a music notation GUI to manipulate midi data. If it requires closer integration with the library why not do it with Dimension Pro. I strongly believe that the details in articulations, dynamics and tempos are more important than the quality of samples for realism. Proper orchestration is even more important. Not just for classical or cinematic stuff but for jazz, big bands, vocal arrangements. EDM is another story. IMO everything there is about sound texture, beat, ambiance, etc. I would like to venture into that eventually.
 
Another approach would be similar to VST Expession maps in the Cubase world. I never used it but from demos on You Tube it looks interesting.

Just for the record, Notion has a sister program called Progression that is all about guitar notation. I have it and it is pretty powerful. Sometimes you can catch a sale on it.

Sidroe
Just for the record, Notion has a sister program called Progression that is all about guitar notation. I have it and it is pretty powerful. Sometimes you can catch a sale on it.

When I bought Notion, I made a call to see what the diff is.  I was told that Notion is a superset of Progression.

"Another approach would be similar to VST Expession maps in the Cubase world. I never used it but from demos on You Tube it looks interesting."
 
This is the next think what I miss in Sonar. Fortunately the Drum Map is a solution whit Expression Maps. 

But as far as the actual guitar notation is very much geared towards guitar chart work. Progression is very similar to Notion but Notion does not have ALL of the guitar notation tools. Check out some videos on YouTube.
I use Notion quite a bit, standalone and ReWired in to Sonar when I need that capability. It works very well but I still would like to see a full blown integrated notation feature built in to Sonar.

Sidroe
But as far as the actual guitar notation is very much geared towards guitar chart work. Progression is very similar to Notion but Notion does not have ALL of the guitar notation tools. Check out some videos on YouTube.
I use Notion quite a bit, standalone and ReWired in to Sonar when I need that capability. It works very well but I still would like to see a full blown integrated notation feature built in to Sonar.

I'll have to check it out.  I was assured by some dude on the phone that Notion would have all of the capabilities for guitar from progression.
 
OTOH, MuseScore 2 is very nice so far ...

I have Notion and have tried out MuseScore (which is quite nice). I like Notion for the most part and it is easy to use to create a score. But creating instrument maps (rulesets) is very time-consuming, especially when you have many patches. 
 
Michael - I could create 2 versions of each composition, 1 for sound, 1 for the score. Sadly that's just too much effort for me. I tried starting in Notion and then exporting into Sonar for the final tweaking, but I always end up changing something that *should* be updated in Notion. And of course I don't go back and update it. 
 
Cubase-like expression maps would be an awesome addition to Sonar! I watched a video on Groove 3 where expression maps were used to do some pretty cool things. That's something I would love to see.