I've been quite happy not using notation in Sonar, but I have to say I would definitely use it if it were a fully fledged editor without the problems, bugs and annoyances that everyone complains about. Reading about those has definitely put me off. 
 
I've gotten to thinking about it again because I've just started learning Finale. I bought Finale 2012 cheap in a sale over a year ago and it's been sitting on my hard drive gathering dust because I never got around to tackling it. But I've been recruited to collaborate on a book of guitar transcriptions and so I'm finally diving into it (I've bought a book and everything ). It's really nice to work with a fully fledged, professional score editor like Finale and it just makes me wish that Sonar had such a thing, if only as a note entry tool without all the publishing stuff. Sitting with that score in front of me on the screen makes me fantasize about writing orchestral parts with a fully fledged orchestral library. The trouble I'm finding with Finale is that its MIDI input has terrible latency and I just cannot seem to solve the issue. Also it's a pain working with Finale and Sonar at the same time because Finale seems to want to output at 44.1kHz no matter what. Its audio and MIDI functionality is a pain in the ass, to be frank. So naturally I'm pining for the best of both worlds. The editing of Finale with the audio of Sonar. I really wish Cakewalk would cut a deal with MakeMusic to incorporate a scaled down version of their notation editor into Sonar. I can't help feeling it would be a positive thing for both companies. 

sharke
I've been quite happy not using notation in Sonar, but I have to say I would definitely use it if it were a fully fledged editor without the problems, bugs and annoyances that everyone complains about. Reading about those has definitely put me off. 
 
I've gotten to thinking about it again because I've just started learning Finale. I bought Finale 2012 cheap in a sale over a year ago and it's been sitting on my hard drive gathering dust because I never got around to tackling it. But I've been recruited to collaborate on a book of guitar transcriptions and so I'm finally diving into it (I've bought a book and everything ). It's really nice to work with a fully fledged, professional score editor like Finale and it just makes me wish that Sonar had such a thing, if only as a note entry tool without all the publishing stuff. Sitting with that score in front of me on the screen makes me fantasize about writing orchestral parts with a fully fledged orchestral library. The trouble I'm finding with Finale is that its MIDI input has terrible latency and I just cannot seem to solve the issue. Also it's a pain working with Finale and Sonar at the same time because Finale seems to want to output at 44.1kHz no matter what. Its audio and MIDI functionality is a pain in the ass, to be frank. So naturally I'm pining for the best of both worlds. The editing of Finale with the audio of Sonar. I really wish Cakewalk would cut a deal with MakeMusic to incorporate a scaled down version of their notation editor into Sonar. I can't help feeling it would be a positive thing for both companies. 

I use finale also and just export to midi and import into sonar. May not meet with your work method though.
 
https://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/MIDI_files2.htm

rabeach

sharke
I've been quite happy not using notation in Sonar, but I have to say I would definitely use it if it were a fully fledged editor without the problems, bugs and annoyances that everyone complains about. Reading about those has definitely put me off. 
 
I've gotten to thinking about it again because I've just started learning Finale. I bought Finale 2012 cheap in a sale over a year ago and it's been sitting on my hard drive gathering dust because I never got around to tackling it. But I've been recruited to collaborate on a book of guitar transcriptions and so I'm finally diving into it (I've bought a book and everything ). It's really nice to work with a fully fledged, professional score editor like Finale and it just makes me wish that Sonar had such a thing, if only as a note entry tool without all the publishing stuff. Sitting with that score in front of me on the screen makes me fantasize about writing orchestral parts with a fully fledged orchestral library. The trouble I'm finding with Finale is that its MIDI input has terrible latency and I just cannot seem to solve the issue. Also it's a pain working with Finale and Sonar at the same time because Finale seems to want to output at 44.1kHz no matter what. Its audio and MIDI functionality is a pain in the ass, to be frank. So naturally I'm pining for the best of both worlds. The editing of Finale with the audio of Sonar. I really wish Cakewalk would cut a deal with MakeMusic to incorporate a scaled down version of their notation editor into Sonar. I can't help feeling it would be a positive thing for both companies. 

I use finale also and just export to midi and import into sonar. May not meet with your work method though.
 
https://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/MIDI_files2.htm

Yeah I guess I like to have everything open and running at once, lol. My ideal workflow would be to have Finale outputting MIDI to Sonar. That would be awesome. 

sharke
 
Yeah I guess I like to have everything open and running at once, lol. My ideal workflow would be to have Finale outputting MIDI to Sonar. That would be awesome. 

My ideal is opposite route - rewire notation software into Sonar - mark you midi tracks to be part of notation(as you do with opening Staff View) - and there it is, over and done, just about.
 
I did some test a few years back - rewire Reaper into Reaper - doing this kind of thing. And it works.
I read that some do this with Sibelius though - rewire into daw, as I understand it.
 
Big fail in Sonar Staff View is triplet handling - needing notes on every triplet. To run a 4/4 signature triplets in 100 tempo - you have to make Sonar 12/8 and 150 in tempo. That will make any automatic tempo markers twisted in notation software - marking it as "presto" or something when it's actually "moderato" or so. Just to mention one thing.
 
And tempo needs to be translated always to how click tracks or metronomes usually work.
 
Somebody need to think this through - and make proper adjustments in Sonar Staff View, so we can use it fully to it's potential.

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Bakers, Cakewalk, Gibson, are you listening yet?
Do you think Staff View is important to enough of us yet?
If not, what will it take?

 
This thread is the second most active thread after
"Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership"
 
That should count for something, you'd think.
 

I didn't go the Sonar route because of notation. I went because it is PC and gave me the most features and flexibility for the money. Having usable notation would be soooooooooo nice (as opposed to importing midi/xml).

Reaper will be implementing a notation view soon. Their 5.0 is due out shortly, and by 5.1 or 5.2 it will have notation. So the competition is not sitting back on its heels, Cakewalk! Don't get left behind!

I think this might explain quite a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILtr_MEHVE 
No further commentary necessary.

What does that explain....?